Emile
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SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Mon Jun 10, 2002 8:51 pm

rumor at ewr is that SK will be returning to CO as a partner.
this was heard by both CO and SK employees,also at SK res. center in lyndhurt.
it seems that SK is unhappy with UA,and that SK customers are refusing to fly on UA.
the majority of people still transfer to CO for there connecting flights.
after all UA can not offer the feed traffic that CO can at ewr.
also given that times are tough for all now,do you actually believe that the outside sales people from LH are really going to push SK???????
LH would rather swalluw up SK.
but i do not believe that would be a welcome outcome by SK.
i think that SK believes that KLM is a better partner and a lot off scandinavian people fly out off amsterdam.
will this be KLMs strong european partner i hope so.
NW,CO,MH, SK,MA,KQ,CZ will this be WINGS.
 
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Mon Jun 10, 2002 8:57 pm

I want to see that in writing from SAS! Until then it??s nothing but another rumour. Why on earth should SAS be leaving the most successful alliance? That would be more than normally stupidity!!
 
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:47 pm

Particularily as CO does not belong to any of the world's large airline alliances - why would you leave the world's largest and arguably best alliance for nothing but just a few better connections at one of your overseas destinations ? For better connections, SAS could always introduce flights to ORD or IAD as EWR probably has a lot of point to point traffic anyway. I believe it when I hear it from the Star Alliance CEO.
 
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:55 pm

Nonsense!

SAS and Lufthansa are so tightly connected that it seems rather ridiculous to go for KLM. Yes, UA is not the best option, but Star Alliance is more than UA.
 
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:56 pm

Vfw614: SAS already fly daily to ORD and IAD.
 
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Mon Jun 10, 2002 10:30 pm

I would like to believe this, but realizing it is just a rumor, I will have to see it in a press-release. It would be one thing if SAS never served ORD and IAD, but as previously noted, they do. There might be some truth to this...

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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Mon Jun 10, 2002 10:33 pm

I'm not convinced by rumours!!

However, it is a FACT that Qantas is in discussions with ANZ regarding buying a stake in the latter; if this happens, ANZ will apparently have to leave Star...perhaps this has partly come about due to BA's involvement in Qantas.

On the other hand, SIA apparently have plans for an Australian airline, so this could soften the blow of ANZ having to quit Star (and paying something in the region of $30 million to do so).

There may be a revolution in the structure of alliances, just round the corner!  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Mon Jun 10, 2002 10:39 pm

It's not about leaving a succesful alliance, or leaving the biggest alliance. The question is does it work for SAS?
If they find their main target for being part of STAR was the traffic to and from US with the UA connenctions and if that is not working for them, why would they stay in the alliance? It would be more logic if they opt for a partner (code-share) their customers like.

Personnaly the only good thing of an alliance is for the frequent flyer. Frankly I don't see the big benefit it for the airlines. Yeah right, now you can buy a ticket with many airlines on it, switching from one company to the other, change your ticket between companies at a much lower price than before. Again, all in the benefit of the customer. If there were no alliances, people would fly as much as today (because it is only the frequent flyer businessman who feels the benefit and he will not stop flying if the alliances would disintegrate).

Inshort: if Start doesn't work for SAS, they should bail out.
 
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Tue Jun 11, 2002 8:31 pm

There's absolutely NO truth in the rumours about SAS leaving the Star Alliance.
It has worked,and still works,perfectly for SAS.
As for the co-operation btw. SK and UA,there has been a more or less connection between the 2 since the early -50's.The CO connection is a remnant from the -80's when SAS had a major share in CO.
As for the Qantas,/Air NZ deal,it has been mentioned in several media that QF may possibly join Star as a result!
Now,how's that for a rumour?
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Tue Jun 11, 2002 8:35 pm

look at www.flyertalk.com forum sk
 
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Tue Jun 11, 2002 9:20 pm

Hard to see that happen. If SK have thoughts of leaving Star, why would Spanair then join this year? SK owns 74% of Spanair.
 
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Tue Jun 11, 2002 9:28 pm

Why do you all keep going on about biggest alliance etc....

Bigger is not better.... BETTER is better
 
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Tue Jun 11, 2002 9:36 pm

I don't think SAS will leave Star alliance at all. UA is however not much liked by the SAS passengers from what I've heard. That doesn't mean that SK will Star. Why not replace Star with another US carrier? ...and we're off.....
 
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:52 am

IMO, NWA is not far away when talking to Co

apart from a EWR connection, the MSP hub could be very interesting for SAS.
Minnesota has strong German/Scandinavian background/influence.

Two daily CPH-MSP codeshare with NWA ... with feeders from Scandanavia/Germany .... backed up by KLM ..

Sounds like a bad dream for LH !
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:57 pm

This would be a very interesting move and Malaysia Airlines would be watching closely since Scandinavia is a rather important market for Malaysia - which it has found hard to penetrate (previously only operating charter flights in the past) until its code-share agreement with KLM recently (MAS now code-shares on KLMs Scandinavian routes via Amsterdam).

SAS could also benefit from an alliance with MAS as it currently operates a well-troden and competitive CPH-BKK-SIN route all served by SK, TG and SQ - all of which belong to STAR. Switching from STAR in SE Asia to KUL would mean less competition and the continuing benefits of access to Australia (with MAS instead of TG or SQ)
 
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Wed Jun 12, 2002 9:17 pm

Isn't SAS already dominated (owned) by LH ? Does SAS mngt still have enough influence on their own future or do they have to do what LH thinks is best for them ?


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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:09 pm

SAS is neither owned nor dominated by LH or anybody else,for that matter.50% is owned by the 3 Scandinavian governments,the remaining half by private interests.
Rumours about SAS leaving Star are just that:rumours.SAS has long-term plans for their participation and investment in Star and we may see other airlines owned by SAS join Star at some time in the future.
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:22 pm

Why don't they invite CO to the Star Alliance? Weren't they looking for another US carrier to join STAR?

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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:28 pm

.. and is talking to everyone, like the rest of the industry, and is keeping all options open for the long term survival of XXXX Airlines as a strong and independent airline.
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No formal talks are held on the subject of changing of partners. Any possible change would be discussed in advance with the stakeholders / authority's.
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No confirmation on anything until something is signed, as usual ....
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Thu Jun 13, 2002 12:20 am

Anyway, oneWorld is the best Alliance anyway  Big thumbs up
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Thu Jun 13, 2002 8:47 am

bigger is better,with so many star partners i think (IMO) that it would be a bad move for sas but i dont have insider info.i like sas and hope they dont but why would you go from the star to oneworld?

ONEWORLD SUCKS,but whatever works for SAS.




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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Thu Jun 13, 2002 9:00 am

I agree it seems unlikely SAS would bolt from a strong and well put together alliance, but if Lufthansa is really screwing SAS and stealing pax on transAtlantic flights if SAS passengers are having unpleasant experiences on United, then its possible.

 
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Thu Jun 13, 2002 10:50 am

I don't see why SAS pax are complaining about United. It's not like that airline is that much above mediocrity either.
 
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Thu Jun 13, 2002 11:57 am

757, have you personally flown SK? I assume you have to be able to make a comparison with UA.
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Thu Jun 13, 2002 12:32 pm

Wasn't there another rumour here about a week ago stating that QF would leave OW for Star? Guys, these are just rumours and nothing more. SK owns part of BD, Spanair, and codeshares extensively with its star partners. Why would it choose to leave a very well established alliance (and pay a $32 million separation fee for that matter) to join up with CO when CO is just fleshing out a partnership with KL?
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Scandinavia Perhaps Not Big Enough For SAS

Thu Jun 13, 2002 6:00 pm

Perhaps the growing potential for SAS is not good enough in Star.

With so called "wings" they could become more prominent in the German and East European market for a start and develop CPH as a transatlantic hub for middle/ eastern Europe together with Co and NWA ....


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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Thu Jun 13, 2002 6:30 pm

Regarding QF leaving for Star; this was mooted, but analysts didn't think it likely given the two BA people on the QF board would veto any such decision(or BA would allow the move, but end investment in Qantas).

I really don't know, it's all up in the air, anything could happen.

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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Thu Jun 13, 2002 7:55 pm

>>Why don't they invite CO to the Star Alliance? Weren't they looking for another US carrier to join STAR?<<

The main reason is b/c CO and NW are big partners now(and they will be until 2013), I don't think that the DOJ will allow three of the top 5 airlines to code-share with each other.
 
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Thu Jun 13, 2002 10:53 pm

I think it's a false rumour. SK is doing fine with STAR alliance!
It's Scandinavian
 
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:51 pm

Well, big is good? Depends of which market you are talking about...

it seems as this discussion is not more than gossips and Oneworld vs. Star Alliance. I don't like Star at all, but thats not the question here, isn't it?

Well, if SK things they profit at Star Alliance they should stay and if they think they might get a better deal at another place they should leave, it's that easy...
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RE: SK Leaving Star ALLIANCE.

Sat Jun 15, 2002 8:52 am

STAR ALLIANCE is the epitome of the old saying, "Too Many Cooks Spoil The Broth".