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Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 1:16 am

Chautauqua will become a Delta Connection carrier beginning in November, 2002, using a fleet of 22 new ERJ-135s, which will be delivered from October until December, 2003. The airline will be based in Florida, and will be replacing the Comair EMB-120s on interstate routes right now. Comair will still retain its hub at MCO using CRJs. Does anyone have any idea if the airline will be based solely at MCO, or possibly adding another focus city at FLL to attempt to compete against AA at MIA? Also, I know the press release is really pushing Florida, but does anyone think we might see some regional services, such as MCO-MSY, etc.?

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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 1:18 am

That's funny; I thought they were a banana production and importing company.
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 1:30 am

From the press release it looks like eventually much of Comair's service will be phased out altogether. It will be interesting to see if DL tries to buildup up FLL a little bit more or add back MSY-MCO and BHM-MCO which were cut earlier. The 37seat ERJ's are smaller and so could probably run some thinner routes. With 22 planes on order plus options for thirty more, DL's going to have to do something with all those planes.
 
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 2:10 am

Very interesting development...I look forward to flying on the ERJ for the first time. My guess is that FLL will play a significant role for this new Delta Connection carrier.
 
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 2:13 am

Lordy lordy how many different livery colours is Chautauqua going to have now? USAirways Express, American Connection, Delta Connection... Egad.

PS right now they're flying STL-CLE as American Connection, but in USAirways Express colours!

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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 2:45 am

Another question is what about Key West. Since the runway is only 4800 ft down there, will this suffice for an ERJ-135? I know that this runway length is too short for a CRJ, so what would happen. I can envision the following:

1.) If the ERJ-135 can safely make it in, then nothing.
2.) ASA comes in and puts its own EMB-120 on this route.
3.) Delta drops the city.

Jeff
 
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 3:08 am

In connection with the DL Connection announcement Chautauqua´s mother company Wexford Management has ordered an additional 22 ERJs, 15 ERJ-135 and 7 ERJ-145 plus another 30 options.

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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 3:16 am

When Chautauqua announced that they would become an America West Express carrier, they stated that they would order 12 ERJ-145's with an option of 12 more. Does anyone know if this latest order includes the 12 ERJ optional order?
 
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 3:17 am

They are also expanding heavily out of CMH for HP.
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 3:26 am

That's correct. However, Chautauqua's expansion in CMH is to replace Mesa's operations in Columbus. The nine Mesa CRJ's based in Columbus have been slowly making their way back to Phoenix as Chautauqua continues to accept delivery of the 12 ERJ-145's ordered to fly under the America West Express banner. Since delivery is nearing completion, I'm hoping that part of the just-announced 22 ERJ-145 order will go to America West Express operations in Columbus.
 
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 3:39 am

Interesting, why would DL replace its own Comair with Chautauqua?

 
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 3:47 am

Twanee -

The florida routes are too thin for a 50 seat jet. Right now they are flown by 30 seat brasilias and taking 5-20 passengers a pop. But Comair is getting rid of the Brasilias and going all jet. Trust me, you can't fly DAB-MCO with 50 seats unless MCO increases its hub. Comair is taking the RJ's and moving them to more long haul routes. They also announced a crew base in DFW for 2003 today. Viva la Mexico!

To answer the Key West question, there are serious talks, and I believe its close to being finished, of putting the CRJ into Key West. The runway's short, and it has to be VFR, but Eastern had a 727 in there before...the RJ can do it. oh, and don't forget the CRJ-700. Better takeoff/landing performance...but that's just speculation.
 
 
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 4:15 am

According to an internal memo at ASA, the MCO Comair base will close to FAs and pilots. Apparently, only ground personel are going to remain to support the few long haul flights that Comair will thru MCO (rather than from MCO [does that make sense?]). No matter the circumstances, I smell a 'BOHICA' for the wholly-owneds. Another sad day for those of us actually making money for DL and getting the unroyal treatment.
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 4:35 am

Uhh, Stretch 8. You're thinking of Chiquita. Not Chatauqua Airlines.  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 4:54 am

I think that this is good news. To have an airline expand like, Chatauqua, hopefully means that the industry is slowly making a recovery. I doubt that Comair or ASA will be jeopoardized by this. I am trying to read between the lines and I think Delta just wants to expand its other regionals and move them around while not cutting back on a lucrative FLA market. Should be interesting.
 
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 5:35 am

What will happen to all the AmericanConnection, AmericaWest Express and US Airways Express flights? Will they be retained by their respective airlines?
 
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 5:38 am

Let's see here....

We've got the old TWA colors, but that's going to "American Connection..."
Already was USAirways Express... Still converting Saabs to new USAirways colors...
Now it's America West Express....
and Delta connection???

Will the passengers know exactly what airline they're on? How will the paint shop know which end is up?

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RE: Redngold

Tue Jun 11, 2002 6:34 am

I think there are only four or five SAABs left. They are used from PIT to FWA, AOO, JST, and now CLE again. From what I am told, the remaining SAABs will be history sometime late this summer. As for the ERJ's in TWA colors, those will soon be repainted in America West Express colors and then replaced with 140's on the American Connection side. USAirways Express is maxxed out for now as more RJ's cannot be added until a Jets4Jobs agreement is made. You ask how will the paint shop know which end is up? Try making passenger announcements and remembering exactly what airline you work for that day.
 
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 9:59 am

ATL2CDG,

I wouldn't worry about getting kicked in the ass by this move. There's lots more growth in Comair's and ASA's futures. There's more room to grow at CVG, plus Comair is slowly gaining more flights at DFW and ATL. Plus, there's always those rumblings that someday Comair might get shipped West to feed DL's LAX operation (instead of relying on Eagle). Of course, the LAX flying is a long way off and I don't know if DL is serious enough about the West Coast to actually put a feeder carrier out there.

Yes, it's annoying to lose a crew base, but overall the Comair folks have experienced tremendous growth with DL over the past few years.

The only ones really getting screwed are mainline DL which keeps shrinking. I wonder when those pesky scope clauses will finally kick in  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 11:53 am

just out of curiousity, does anyone think that this new regional carrier could be the beginning of the end for Delta Express. Just thought it was interesting that they are starting another regional carrier in the area, with comair already fairly big. could these new flts eventually take the place of some Delta Express Flts?
 
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Tue Jun 11, 2002 11:18 pm

I don't think that the new carrier will replace Delta Express at all. The southernmost Express city (non-Florida) is IAD, and IAD-MCO is 757 miles, which is capable of the ERJ, but I would think that Delta would keep the 737 here. Also, the majority of Express routes are from JFK, ISP, EWR, PVD, BDL, and BOS, which would be a little long (~1000 miles) for an RJ, especially when there is demand for the 737. If anything, I could see the RJs restoring/expanding service to some of the shorter Express routes that were cut over the past year.

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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:09 am

No, I don't think this will replace DeltaExpress (except in a few cities where DLX has already been replaced...SDF,BNA,RDU). Chautauqua will be replacing most of Comair's flights so that's the first priority. To give you an idea, here are all the cities that have Comair service to MCO.

PNS,TLH,RSW,EYW,MIA,FLL,PBI,GSO,BNA,RDU,SDF(done by ASA)

Comair also flies TLH-FLL and TLH-MIA.

Considering the number of planes being brought in by Chautauqua, I could imagine a few new cities being served to MCO like BHM (served in the past), MSY (served in the past), VPS, MOB, GSP and CAE.

Routes like JAX-FLL and TPA-FLL (DL has one 757 daily) have a good amount of demand but the route is well served by WN.
 
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Wed Jun 12, 2002 1:34 am

With Delta Connection, Inc. converting some of their CRJ order to the version of the 100/200 with smaller pax capacity (I can remember the number Bombardier has given that version), I am surprised that Delta would sign on another DC operator out of MCO. Of course, they have begun to integrate some Delta Connection operations (Comair flights out of both DFW and ATL, ACA flights out of CVG), so it really does not suprise that another operator will also operate Delta Connection flights out of MCO. But adding another carrier on one hand seems like an unusual idea, at the same time, it also enables Comair and ASA to enter other markets. Maybe Comair will start plying some western routes out of SLC and/or LAX, with ASA taking over some of Comairs other routes. It logically would have made more sense to just shift a few of ASA's Brasilias down to MCO, but since ASA is retiring them as new CRJ-200s enter the fleet (while a few others get transferred to DFW from ATL), Delta would have had to make this decision sooner or later anyway. Of course, with Comair closing its crew base @ MCO and opening one @ DFW, this does bring up the much talked about merger of ASA and Comair operations into one unified airline, since they are both owned by Delta Connection, Inc.,
 
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Wed Jun 12, 2002 1:44 am

I doubt we will see a Merger any time soon between ASA and COMAIR. While they both are fully owned by Delta, delta has been switching flying from one regional per hub to several to avoid the situation that occured in CVG when Comair striked. Losing that much regional feed killed the CVG hub, and Delta doesn't want to see it happen anywhere else anytime soon. By merging ASA and COMAIR, your two largest regionals that control almost all of your feed on the east coast and midwest become one carrier, and if that goes on strike, you are in a lot of trouble.
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Wed Jun 12, 2002 2:01 am

Congrats to the CHQ people--they were great to me when I commuted from STL-IND.

Sorry for the mainline DL people. So, exactly when did the arbitrator say the Force Maneure would end? What's that? Oh, it'll end when Delta management says it will end. Gotcha.  Sad TC
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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Wed Jun 12, 2002 2:11 am

I'm a little surprised that Comair won't be expanding in ATL, with the ASA pilots contract up next year sometime. As for DFW, I would have thought that the mix of just ASA and SkyWest would have been good, but I guess Delta might have some plans for DFW (let's hope mainline is in that situation too, there is demand in DFW for two hub carriers).

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RE: Chautauqua To Become Delta Connection Carrier

Sun Jun 23, 2002 8:40 am

Okay, I have been away from a computer for a couple of weeks and was shocked to hear this, as I thought Comair or even Atlantic Coast Jet would build up the Florida runs. Chautauqua, (the county in NY where I am right now, hehe) came as a surprise. I was actually hoping to see ACJet bring the 328JET down hear. Oh well, more diversity in the DL connection fleet. It would be neat to see the ERJ's in Key West though.

As for Key West, I just did some research and found out that on Nov 1st at the latest, Comair will begin CRJ service to EYW. I went to the Delta website, typed in dates, and it showed the CRJ as the aircraft operating those flights. Maybe Chautauqua will take over for them after a while, but it will be nice for the RJs, any RJs, to finally come to Key West. They will be flying right over my school everyday. Woohoo!  Big thumbs up

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