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BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 6:10 am

Is it true that BA was once nicknamed "Boeing airways" by some folks at Airbus due to BA's reluctance to buy from Boeing?

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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 6:18 am

BA & it's predessor BOAC have been Boeing Airways since 1956
 
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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 6:18 am

It was Boeing Allways, and it was a general term. With 737s 757s 767s 747s and involvement with the 777 everyone thought that BA would always stay Boeing.
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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:15 am

But now I think British Airways operates A319's and A320's. Nevertheless, BA operates an overwhelmingly Boeing fleet.
 
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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:29 am

Yep,
BA definitely were Boeing Airways!

One of the most stark examples being;
They took delivery of 10 A320s from an order they inherited with B.Cal in 1988-1990. They obviously liked the A320, or I doubt they would have kept such a small fleet of 10, especially when early demand for the A320 meant there would have been many airlines willing to take almost new aircraft rather than wait for a delivery slot. However, they remained "Boeing Airways" and ordered the B737-400 as part of their short-haul fleet renewal soon after the A320 entered service. So the 2 types with near identical capacities have operated side-by-side ever since. It was 10 years after service introduction of the A320 before BA ordered an Airbus by choice!

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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:04 am

ELAL and Southwest - BoeingAirways!!!!!!
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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:07 am

That mean we can call it US Air-BUS-ways?

 
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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:09 am

That tag must now go away i'd say, BA has zillions of A320/A319/A321's now. With the 757/767's disappearing, a airbus short haul fleet is the norm for BA now.

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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:10 am

That mean we can call it US Air-BUS-ways?

Indeed we can.

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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:19 am

BA's early (ex BCal) A320s were not as sought after as suggested above, because they are very early build -100 series aircraft (no winglets for one thing) and the -200 appeared quite soon after the -100. If BA had got early deliveries of A320-200s they would have had a much higher resale value.

PS El Al tried to defect (a la BA and United) by ordering A330s, but no way was the US State Dept going to tolerate such ingratitude.
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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:39 am

Cedarjet,
Yes, BA's first 5 A320s are series 100s. I still don't think BA would have had too much trouble finding a buyer for the aircraft, around the time of delivery. Being "very early build" machines doesn't really matter when the aircraft is 6 months old and it's the most advanced airliner flying!

I take your point about the A320-100 now though when they're 12 years old, I always wondered whether BA would strike a deal to sell 'em to Air France who already operate 12 A320-100s, maybe now they will once more V2500-powered A320s arrive.

In a similar vein, I doubt anyone will be falling over themselves to take the 2 non-ER B777-200s that BA have just returned to Boeing. They may have been of interest to Asian airlines like Cathay/Malaysian as range is not an issue on their trunk routes, but their GE90 engines mean these airlines are unlikely to be interested.

Only 2 potential customers spring to mind;
China Southern and JAL, who've switched from PW to GE for recent 777 orders.

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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 2:17 pm

Is there a chance the GE90 ex BA772s could be re-engined?Cathy took the 1st 777 I believe not too long ago ofr intra-Asian flying
 
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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:07 pm

Does KLM also qualify for "Boeing Airways"? Maybe not, if they get the A330 (and they had the A310 in the past).
 
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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:08 pm

Delta also qualifies as "Boeing airways"
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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:14 pm

KLM was a Douglas customer. They operated almost every type: DC 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 and MD-11.

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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:17 pm

Delta does not qualify as "Boeing Airways" because the letters B and A do not appear in "Delta".

American Airlines would qualify as "Airbus Airways" if it had a preference for Airbus aircraft, but it doesn't, so it isn't.
 
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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:19 pm

Did those early BA A320 actually fly for BCal or were they delivered straight to BA? I´m just wondering whether there were 3 or 4 -100 operators.
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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:40 pm

The A320-100s were delivered straight to British Airways I believe.
 
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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:44 pm

The A320-100 never flew for B.Cal, but the first aircraft was delivered in full B.Cal colours and had to be repainted before service entry.

Here is the only photo I could find on the net;


If anyone knows of any others, please post a link!

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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:52 pm

What's interesting is that British Airways could have been a big Airbus customer earlier had the British government not stupidly bowed out of the Airbus Industrie consortium in 1969.

If the British had continued to support Airbus back then it would have been very likely that British Airways would have ended up buying 30-35 A300B4's powered by RB.211-524 engines for European operations instead of buying Lockheed L1011's, and very likely would have been among the very first customers for what became the A320.
 
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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Thu Jun 13, 2002 4:12 am

Well before they purchased the A320-family aircraft they could definitely be called 'Boeing Airways' but not anymore! It sounds kind of cool though.

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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Thu Jun 13, 2002 4:22 am

RayChuang - your right about the British Government, but Airbus always had British interests as Hawker Siddeley where always involved.

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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Thu Jun 13, 2002 5:01 am

It's not a bad thing being called boeing airways, i think it's OK, but time moves on and things eventually change. i.e. BA breaking the duck and buying airbus.

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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Thu Jun 13, 2002 7:44 am

Crosswind:
I think that picture is of the first A320 which was painted in BCal colours on one side and Air France on the other.
I was at Gatwick the day Busby (G-BUSB) arrived and it was in BA colours.
 
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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Thu Jun 13, 2002 10:05 am

Boeing Airways? Really? I didn't know Boeing also made the Concorde, VC-10, and L-1011.  Confused  Acting devilish
 
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RE: BA Nicknamed "Boeing Airways" At Airbus?

Thu Jun 13, 2002 9:07 pm

However, Hawker Siddeley continued its involvement with Airbus as a private venture without British government assistance, building the A300B wings. It was this venture that allowed the British to rejoin the Airbus consortium a number of years later.

If the British government had stayed with Airbus very likely sales of the Lockheed L1011 would have much lower, to say the least.

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