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CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:17 am

This was on the English new on MAC TV earlier.(Taiwan state-run TV broadcasting via Ku-band satellite to North America)

Last night(2230, 12 June, local time)A China Airlines 747-400, flight#008 Taipei-Los Angels, lost all electrical power shortly after pushback from the gate. Two dozens or so passengers abandoned the planes when it was pushed back to the gate. The electrical failure was attributed to computer problems and was resolved in appx 2 hours. An additional hours was spent for unloading the luggage belonging to those passengers. The flight left Taipei without any further incident and is currently enroute to LAX.

One of the passengers who abandoned the planes said he and other passengers became frightened when the 747-400 plunged into complete darkness. He and some others were re-booked on other CI flights the next day. The rest refused to take another CI flight and were transferred to other airlines...





 
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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:50 am

China Airlines, AGAIN!!!!!????!!!!!  Pissed
 
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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:02 pm

Reminds me of the NW 747 flight that was delayed a few years ago in BKK (bound for NRT). At the start of the takeoff roll, a Japanese pax decided that he wanted off...NOW. He jumped up, ran to the L4 door, opened same and tried to jump out. Two big burly American pax grabbed him by the ankles and pulled him back inside. He was led away in a straight-jacket, babbling incoherently. Now of course, as the aeroplane was nearly full, and no spare slide-raft was available in BKK, 48 pax needed to be offloaded. No problem with this...as about 100 wanted off anyway.
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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:21 pm

Said it before and I'll say it again....

CLOSE CI NOW.
 
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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:21 pm

China Airlines, why am I not surprised?



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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:52 pm

Come on now. So now everytime there is a mechanical on a plane I should freak out and say "This airline is not safe" and demand off. If I had that attitude I would not be able to fly anywhere as pretty much every airline I have flown has had some type of mechanical trouble.

I would not hesitate to fly China Airlines because they have dirt cheap fares compared to other Asian carriers (besides Korean).
 
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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:59 pm

same here... I would fly CI, especially considering they're are now offering a rountrip first class from JFK to TPE for $1425(add $50 to HKG or BKK) for corporate customers. LAX/SFO to TPE roundtrip is only $1215 also in first class sleeper. That's cheaper than a normal discounted coach fare.

Unfortunately, airlines in trouble usually need these outrageoursly low fares to keep going.

The way I look at it, driving on the highways is much more dangerous than flying on CI...


 
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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Wed Jun 12, 2002 1:06 pm

I agree with the others who say CLOSE CI NOW!!!!!!! Mechanical failures happen all the time to many airlines and should not be a constant cause of concern. However, one should be concerned with an airline whose track record is appaling. How many more times do CI planes have to crash and how many more people have to be killed before the Taiwan Government grows some balls and shuts the airline down? I for one do not care how cheap their fares are, I will never, ever step foot aboard a CI plane.
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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Wed Jun 12, 2002 2:34 pm

I was on a Delta flight once when the exact thing happened - complete power loss after pushback. The APU was apparently broken and we had to get power from the gate to start the engines. Some people looked a bit uncomfortable after 45 mins waiting, but not a single pax wanted to get off.
 
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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Wed Jun 12, 2002 4:49 pm

Closing CI down may be due to the crashes but for the sake of an electrical faliure is so OTT.
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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Wed Jun 12, 2002 6:01 pm

CI offers cheap fares? Do you want to pay more or having a high risk of losing your life.
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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Wed Jun 12, 2002 6:53 pm

Well...Why the passengers want to fly China Airlines? Because of Cheap airfare? No, you have to check which airlines is the most saftest airlines in the world...why not flying Air Canada, Qantas and Cathay Pacific? AIR SAFETY is MORE important than money. It doesn't matter you spend too much money for travelling as long as you're happy to travel around the world.
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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:02 pm

I don't know what the problem is. If people want cheap fares and "risk dying" why don't you just let them? Sure they'll learn the hard way but there's no point getting a stress over it.
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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:10 pm

I think you guys are exaggerating. Besides, airfares have nothing to do with safety. Look at Southwest for example. I doubt that you "risk dying" when boarding a CI plane.
 
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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:17 pm

Oh for goodness sake, this is just journalistic cr@p again.

"One of the passengers who abandoned the planes said he and other passengers became frightened when the 747-400 plunged into complete darkness"

How does an aircraft, on the ground, "plunge" into darkness? Give me a break, these stories are rolled up about every airline within a few weeks of a major incident. If stories like this were always reported we'd see nothing else in our news. Aircraft are complex machines, things break, it's no big deal 99.9999% of the time.
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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:25 pm

Well CI is hoping that with offering dirt cheap fares they'll be able to attract more passengers, specifically targeting those who've chosen not to fly CI in light of flight CI611 crashing, their many previous crashes & their safety record. But for many people, safety is a priority concern & they won't be enticed by the low fares.

This incident is nothing to fret over, but any news regarding CI, be it another incident, future aircraft orders or whatever, is BIG news as they’re a hot item in the media these days. I don’t blame those passengers for getting off, they have every right to in those circumstances.

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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Thu Jun 13, 2002 8:26 am

My rule of thumb:
I have 2 types of airlines I wont fly: those that offer inferior customer service, and those where your life is at stake. In the latter category, China Airlines and Korean Air will never get my business- even if the ticket is free.
 
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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Thu Jun 13, 2002 9:05 am

I for one will never CI for any reason.

Also, if the plane lost all electrical power, the entire cabin would be in darkness which is correct.

To people that will fly CI, I just like to say, good luck to you. CI has one major accident every 3 years. They almost had 2 this year along. The were lucky that CI A340 from NY did not crash into frigid water in ANC.

So for a mere 14 hour flight in a sleeper seat is not worth rest of my life. CI should be closed to arrogance. Lousy airline should have no place in this industry.




 
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RE: CI 747-400 To LAX, Lost Power, Pax Abandon Plane

Fri Jun 14, 2002 7:48 am

Actually, if the plane lost all electrical power supplied by the generators (which would have been the case if pushed away from the gate) they would not be in complete darkness. You know that safety demo that the flight attendants do that nobody pays attention to? Well, next time you decide to pay attention listen to the bit about lights illuminating the aisles. Do you think that the FA's or pilots turn these on? Nope? they're triggered to come on automatically when the airplane falls to a certain power level. Therefore the passengers would have had these lights and were not in a pitch black environment. Though at night, it would still be pretty dark.

I personally would not fly China Airlines based on previous accidents and their safety and training culture as a company. But, mechanical things to happen to even the newest airplanes. In fact, wasn't there a certain can do no wrong airline based in Singapore that had a crash based on very poor judgement by the pilots in Taipei? Then shortly thereafter had a 777 in NRT wish tire trouble? Is everyone running from that airline? Is everyone running from AA with several accidents with included deaths in the last few years?

Incidently, on Sunday as we were pushing from the gate we lost our APU generator. Because we were pushing back and had not started the engines we went to the emergency power level, which is powered by the battery. With the help of maintenance, we deferred the generator, started #4 at the gate and proceeded as normal. We have never had a fatality at Mesaba and have an immpecable safety and maintenance record. This proves, that mechanical things break... Our passengers weren't alarmed. Of course we didn't have the melodramatic media get ahold of the minor technical problem either.


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