odie
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MAS Seeking New Horizons

Fri Jun 14, 2002 2:36 am

According to The Star, Malaysia's leading daily newspaper, MAS is seeking to expand into new horizons. They are planning to inaugurate new flights and increase their frequencies into Northern Africa, Bahrain in the Middle East and some Scandinavian countries. Beside that, MAS is also exploring the feasibility of using the B772ER instead of the B744 to operate the KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE route. In the pipeline, MAS is also increasing their frequency to Frankfurt to daily and Paris to 5 times weekly.

MAS is also evaluating the best stopover for its flight to New York. Currently, flights to New York are via Dubai and will be maintained. However, new frequencies to New York via Europe would seem viable.

I don't know that they had obtained new rights at Paris! They had such a big squablle with the French Aviation Authorities last time when Malaysia wanted to purchase 2 French submarines in exchange for 4 more landing rights at Paris. But I don't think the French gave MAS the rights. Does this mean we could see a MAS/AF code-share, coz I believe this is the only way that MAS can get extra rights at KUL.

And I think it's time they should expand into Scandinavia. However, will this be a code-share with KLM or direct to cities like Stockholm and Copenhagen? And it's good to see that they are planning to increase their frequency into New York and use a new European stop. The thing is, which city would MAS choose or obtain rights from? Amsterdam seems like a good choice given the relationship between MAS and KLM.
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:54 am

OdiE, i don't think it's wise to stop at AMS. Already we've KL/NW, DL, CO and SQ on this route. One more is porbably too much. Maybe a stop in CPH is a good idea.
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Fri Jun 14, 2002 5:12 am

In a German Aviation magazine it was written that MAS wanted to make FRA it's "Europe hub". Since I think the term "hub" doesn't really fit but that might be an indicator for KUL-FRA-JFK/EWR?

Do they fly the 777 or the 744 to CDG?

Max
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Fri Jun 14, 2002 10:15 am

Hi GodBless,

MAS is using 744 to CDG. I went to France last month taking MAS and it's a brand new 744 (PutraJaya). I will be making another trip up next month and of course... I will be taking MAS again. I just love the service that they provide. It's SUPERB!

Rgds.
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Fri Jun 14, 2002 11:51 am

Expansion? Why not. For MAS and its management, it's almost risk-free.
Malaysian taxpayers paid to reacquire an overpriced airline. They then paid again to buy the airline's aircraft fleet to provide it with cashflow. And now they will be paying for whatever expansion follies the airline's management decide would be good for prestige. Who wouldn't love to run an airline with such generous benefactors?
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:38 pm

I heard around 2 weeks ago that there was an Idea in KUL to fly into GVA (!).
MAS just got a new 772 around last week, which reg.?
Finally we got back the 772 at ZRH and end of this month it will be back to turn-around.

The thing with CDG flts., well, don't think that AF would have an interest in flying into KUL, even with codeshare. The thing with the two submarines which OdiE mentioned, well, sounds funny. I have seen them at Lumut, just to mention, the submarines look ugly.

What would be the advantages of operating KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE vv with a 772 iso a 744?

Airpearl
Isn't it normal for government owned airlines. I could mention a few nice airlines which made business the last two years without any economical thinking. I think Malaysia as a Tourist and Business destination will profit of this, but you might know it better than we...
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:47 pm

Swissgabe,

The Boeing 777 is significantly cheaper to operate than a Boeing 747-400 (e.g. uses less fuel). In addition, MAS may not need the capacity of a 744 on the routing which is long but thin.


 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:57 pm

Reggaebird
The thing with the lower pax demand makes sense. But are you sure that a 744 is cheaper to operate than a 772? Well, it uses less fuel (and it has not that many pax as the 744, logical). But different MAS pilots (on 772) told me that especially the maintenance is far more expensive than with a 744.

I still think that the 744 Combi would have been the best solution on this flt.
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Fri Jun 14, 2002 5:30 pm

with ETOPS 180 minutes can they fly the B777 direct to EZE from CPT? I don't think so... AFAIK, MAS is only certified ETOPS 180 for their B772ERs.

Now may I ask, are their A330s full on all flights? It struk my mind that since the A330 and B772 have the same capacity, the A330 is used on shorter routes since it is much cheaper to full routes under 5000mi or so and its range is not comparable to the B772ERs.

(MAS' A330 aren't the newest so their range is much below 10000km rite?)

Since there are lots of A332 on the second hand market and with leasing companies, can MH convert their A333 leases to A332 and fit them with better IFEs and thus capacity is slightly reduced so it makes sense that the A332 will fill the gap between their B734 and A333. Don't you think? and they can fly it on the KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE and v.v. since they are short of B777s now. Correct me if i am wrong but just my two cents.

*part or most of MAS' A333 are leased right? they have 9 A333 so maybe they can change 5 of them for A332?



3 segment path: 16675 km
KUL (02°45'N 101°42'E) JNB (26°08'S 28°15'E) 8504 km
JNB (26°08'S 28°15'E) CPT (33°58'S 18°36'E) 1272 km
CPT (33°58'S 18°36'E) EZE (34°51'S 58°32'W) 6899 km

The A332 can do this route if they are certified 180 minutes ETOPS as well but just for CPT-EZE they have to fly a little north from CPT and then south to EZE. Not so economical though but flying distance wont increase much and same thing when flying EZE-CPT.
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Sat Jun 15, 2002 2:49 am

As far as Amsterdam is concerned as a stopover city, I think it would be a good idea since AMS is the hub for MAS in Europe beside London. The chances of MAS getting fifth freedom rights at LHR is almost 0%! If they operate it via Amsterdam, can they carry passengers from say Frankfurt, Zurich or Paris using KLM feeder flights? I don't think they want to fly via Frankfurt, since after all, SIA is operating that route, and it's SIA and Lufthansa's hub, though they might be able to get some traffic there. Do they have fifth freedom rights at FRA? I think they recently just obtain the rights to increase their frequency to daily fligths from 5 times weekly. CPH seems like a good option, as I think only SAS serve Newark, but not JFK? But will MAS inaugurate 2 new destinations in a single route?

Swissgabe: Do you have any other news regarding MAS expansion plans in Europe/Switzerland? They still going on with the 5 weekly flights into Zurich? MAS received its 15th B777 last week. So the registration should be 9M-MRO? I don't know, is O the 15h alphabet?
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Sat Jun 15, 2002 7:56 am

How about service to Canberra, Australia? They are crying out for an international air service and with a catchment area of 500 000 (which is the highest average income city in Australia as well as the highest yield in terms of flight), I think a 2 weekly flight connecting with MEL or ADL would be a possibility.
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Sat Jun 15, 2002 9:09 am

I don't think the 777 ETOPS will allow MAS to operate it on the CPT-EZE route which is why the 747-400 has always been used. Prior to MAS getting rid of their 747-400 Combis - they were employed on this route and did the job quite well. MAS should really consider withdrawing its EZE route and use Rio de Janeiro as its South American hub. This routing could actually get around the problem of the 777 ETOPS - although MAS has now established itself in EZE and should theoretically continue to use this airport.

I don't think the A330-200 fleet change is feasible as suggested.

Back to the KUL-XXX-NYC route. MAS was very keen to commence a KUL-MAN-EWR service to complement its KUL-DXB-EWR service. However, talks between the UK CAA and Malaysian DCA are going to get tougher as MAS pushes for its 3x day LHR service. MAS currently has 21 flights a week to the UK (LHR and MAN) and altering this agreement is not going to be easy.

AMS could be a sound choice as a stopover since KLM, NWA and MAS already place codes on each other flights (although NW is yet to place codes on MAS flights and vv). A KUL-AMS-EWR service could be an excellent tri-partite code-share. This could also introduce MAS' 747-400s across the Atlantic and free up its 777s for use on other services.

On the subject of Australia - MAS has landing rights at Townsville which is yet to be taken up on and is also unlikely to take up. CBR used to be operated via a code-share with AN until its demise. Perhaps MAS needs to concentrate on building up its work at its current ports and reintroduce Darwin using a 737-400...

...which brings me on to the next point...

As part of their refurbishment of their 737-400s - perhaps they should refurbish a sub-fleet with new Golden Club Class seats and increased seat pitch in Economy for use on regional routes like Darwin, Male, Colombo, Xiamen, Kaohsiung, etc.
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Sat Jun 15, 2002 1:47 pm

Mas777, can u explain more why it is not feasible? If the A333 arent always filled then the A332 is the perfect a/c and could even open some new routes which the A333 cannot reach and yet is quite thin... A332 should solve the problem for the large gap between B734 and A333. Maybe with around 222 seats in the A332, MH can resume flights to Darwin then onto Cairns? I might be wrong...

Maybe when the time comes for a refurbishment of their B734, that would mean that they are financially more sound, I will then think they might not want to refurbish their B734 up to a very high standard, maybe just a little improvement, because time is drawing near to replace their regional fleet.. the B734, F50 and DHC6, then we might see ERJs or FRJs being purchased for domestic routes and some regional routes where there are no need of the B734 capacity and the B734 fleet may eventually be replaced with new B737NGs or some A32X.


KUL (02°45'N 101°42'E) DRW (12°25'S 130°53'E) 3636 km

I do not think the B734 can fly this route with MTOW... B737NGs or A32X can definitely do it... On this route there is no ETOPS problem...
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Sat Jun 15, 2002 2:29 pm

The one European country crying out most for direct services is Ireland. Think about it: Europe's fastest growing economy, about a quarter of the Aussie population (where MH has a strong network) is of Irish descent and if it came down to it, I'm sure the Irish government would be prepared to consider limited fifth freedom rights (subject to a change in the Irish:US bilateral).

Ireland chose Malaysia as its first embassy in ASEAN and its exports to the region are strong; MH could become the carrier of choice from Ireland to ASEAN and Asia.
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Sat Jun 15, 2002 2:36 pm

MAS and KLM already codeshare to Helsinki, and probably to at least Copenhagen and Stockholm too.

Do you think it would be possible MAS would start KUL-HEL-EWR?
SE Asia is a very popular tourist destination among Finns. And I think they could sell tickets on HEL-EWR too if they got 5th freedom rights from the Finnish CAA and the FAA.

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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Sat Jun 15, 2002 5:05 pm


Why doesn't MAS fly to NYC via OSL... I think (not sure) that Oslo is has no direct service to the US.
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Sat Jun 15, 2002 7:47 pm

BBADXB, the thing is, will there be enough traffic and yield to justify a B772ER or even a B744 flying on such route?

Can Dublin handle a fully loaded B744? I don't think so... the runway is too short rite? MAS at the moment does not have enough B777 and have excessive B744. Maybe they can convert 1 or 2 of the oldest B744 pax flying into a freighter and replace their ageing B742.

Maybe a B772 or A332 (which i think they should get) would be feasible into DUB.
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Sat Jun 15, 2002 8:09 pm

i agree about Dublin. MAS should start before someone else gets in. They could operate it as an extension of the KUL-MAN service.

I also think MAS should launch flights to Barcelona, Berlin, Brussels and Geneva. Geneva is similar to DUB in that there are virtually NO eastbound long haul flights that there IS a market for. I think Emirates or Qatar especially may open GVA to asia via their hubs in the Gulf. I hope it's QR  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Scandinavia is already pretty well covered in terms of south-east-asia. Copenhagen already has Thai and SAS flying to SIN and BKK. And Stockholm has TG. I think if anything, a stockholm service or possibly Oslo en route to the US could work.

Anyone know if MAS plan to increase their MAN flights??

regards

Mike
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Sun Jun 16, 2002 12:22 am

MAS should really have look at the Scandinavian market.
Yes, there's already TG flying from CPH 5xweek and ARN 4xweek to BKK and SK from CPH to BKK and SIN 6xweek. Plus Finnair from HEL to BKK daily, SIN 4xweek and to HGK 3xweek.
I don't know any loads on Finnair but the loads on SAS and Thai are 100% full!!! If you are not a frequent flyer you have to book about a year in advance to be sure for a seat.
I do think there's a big possibility for them here.


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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Sun Jun 16, 2002 6:04 am

This is a long message, so bewarned.

Everyone seems to have nice ideas about where MAS should operate to and with what equipment. What no one seems to be taking into consideration is economic rationality. Airpearl, myself and various other people have mentioned in other posts that MAS is Asia's perennial underperformer, that they are bleeding cash and that they have cash in hand today primarily because the government bailed them out by buying their assets....

I applauded MAS decision not too long ago to withdraw services from a number of destinations, to concentrate on (potentially) profitable markets, and to drop the basket case routes. Against all economic rationality, they seem to have abandoned this strategy. Unfortunately this recent injection of cash seems to have made MAS hungry (greedy?) to expand again. I'm not so sure this is a good idea.... conventional wisdom dictates that one needs to regroup, recover, concentrate on fundamentals, and then expand again when the fundamentals are solidly in place. Has MAS done this? No. Perhaps it won't be long before MAS itself becomes a basket case. It'll be interesting to see if they get another bailout then, and what form that bailout will take - will MAS dispose of even more assets to raise cash? Raise more debt through bond issues perhaps? These aren't necessarily sound steps to take when you are already in financial trouble.

I know some people here are going to criticise me for this post - yes, governments bail out their airlines all the time; yes, Malaysia needs MAS to maintain some unprofitable routes in order to keep the tourists coming in, etc etc.... but there has to be a limit to this. The "social good" argument doesn't mean that airlines can indefinitely bleed cash to support a greater good, whatever that may be.

With specific reference to the posts here:

- Malaysia is experiencing a boom in tourist arrivals from the Middle East and other Muslim countries because post-9/11 Malaysia is seen as a "safe" destination for such tourists. Expansion into the MidEast and North Africa therefore makes good sense.

- The Scandinavia to SE Asia market is pretty much saturated, and yields aren't good either, as premium traffic is thin (with the possible exception of BKK-CPH). It'll be hard for MAS to maintain a profitable service to any destination, whether it be Copenhagen, Stockholm, Oslo, or Helsinki. CX couldn't maintain its service to Stockholm. And remember, there must be a reason why SAS itself does not provide direct services from Oslo to North America. Having said that, Scandinavia does have pretty decent cargo loads and yields.

- Geneva: Even Swissair couldn't maintain profits on longhaul routes out of GVA, except to JFK. And think about Swissworld's rapid demise...

- Dublin: Decent cargo business to be made. Passenger demand to SE Asia will be thin, even to Australia.

- EZE: An incredibly bad idea to restart services in the middle of Argentina's worst economic crisis. B747 Combis to EZE: Theoretically a nice idea, but in reality they are a pain to manage on the ground.

- MAN: Again the big question here is yield. And the transatlantic market out of MAN is saturated too.

- AMS-EWR: Yields won't be great, but it's not a bad idea if co-operation within the "Wings" airlines tightens up a bit, and if MH formally joined the grouping.

Ok... I think that's it... sorry for the long post!
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Sun Jun 16, 2002 7:40 am

Didn't CX use a B747-400 which flew thru FRA on its way to HKG?
If they had used an A340 nonstop (even if they didn't had that many) the route might had been profitable. But now when AY flies to HKG from HEL I wouldn't expect to see CX for a long time.
As for SAS. Yes, they suspended the OSL-EWR route due low business class load factor. But I have heard that economy class did pretty well.
Still thinks MAS has a big big chance here.


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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Mon Jun 17, 2002 12:45 am

Hmmm...joined the discussion rather late...just got back from KLIA.

MAS should just try to strengthen its current network without launching fancy dancy routes.Someone here noted that MAS has landing rights for Townsville-why do they dod that for?They should start a KUL-Christchurch-KUL if they can instead.

In ASEAN,MAS is weak compared to SIA and THAI.I was recently planning a proposed trip to Hanoi and although I live in SIN I always fly MAS because they offer EXCELLENT value for money,but they onkly fly something like 4x weekly with 737s while SIA manages twice daily with 777s.With respect to the rest of asia,they very strong ,although more flights would be nice.MAS should redo their A330 interiors and add PTVs for the aircraft that fly medium haul flights that way they can free up 777s which dont often fly full for other flights.I once went on MAS to BKK on a 777 that was 70%-empty!

Their service to EZE should be dropped and instead MAS should fly to Sao Paulo,which if I am right is the financial hub of south america.If they cant to that then the should get a better ETOPS rating(if that is possible,I know UA and AA operate 777s across the Atlantic and Pacific) or try getting an A330 to fly that with a revamped interior with PTVS.

But the above would be like asking a toddler to beat Green in a 100m race,first MAS needs to get out of the red!!!

Their action should be something like this:
1.Get out of the red
2.Join an alliance
I have noted how LH codeshare and hand over their pax on alot of SIA flights to Australia and New Zealand.MAS should not really join Wings but should try Oneworld.
3.Improve the interiors of their A330 and 737 so that they will be more suited for longer regional flights.
4.Strengthen their current route network in terms of increasing frequences so that they can compete with SIA and Thai regionaly.
5.Add new destinations such as Christchurch,San Francisco,Madrid and Copenhagen that are already in the route networks of SIA and Thai.
5.Launch new r
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Mon Jun 17, 2002 7:43 pm

Maybe MAS should have a stop in WAW. Eastern European market grows very fast, more and more people from this part of Europe travel to Far East for holidays and make a business. I now that LOT wants to reopen Far East destinations (its probably to Seoul, Bejin and Singapour).
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Mon Jun 17, 2002 8:38 pm

HUYfan/Ex_SQer
I think GVA has an high potential for long-haul flights in the Eastern direction. GVA needs a direct connection to Asia, I remember that around 10 years ago Swissair used to fly GVA-ZRH-BKK vv and things like that with MD11.

The market at GVA is quite big and goes also into the French market. There is quite a lot of front end traffic at GVA and thats what airlines should be looking for, I don't see a reason to go turn-around into GVA, I wouldn't do so. I wonder if MAS will do something with GVA, if they do so, they should put it together with something else, ZRH could be possible, because there are already a lot of GVA pax on the ZRH flights because Swiss offers simply the best connections to ZRHs MH9 and so MH could save the SPAs they already pay to LX.

Ex_SQer
I applauded MAS decision not too long ago to withdraw services from a number of destinations, to concentrate on (potentially) profitable markets, and to drop the basket case routes. Against all economic rationality, they seem to have abandoned this strategy. Unfortunately this recent injection of cash seems to have made MAS hungry (greedy?) to expand again. I'm not so sure this is a good idea.... conventional wisdom dictates that one needs to regroup, recover, concentrate on fundamentals, and then expand again when the fundamentals are solidly in place. Has MAS done this? No. Perhaps it won't be long before MAS itself becomes a basket case. It'll be interesting to see if they get another bailout then, and what form that bailout will take - will MAS dispose of even more assets to raise cash? Raise more debt through bond issues perhaps? These aren't necessarily sound steps to take when you are already in financial trouble.

I know some people here are going to criticise me for this post - yes, governments bail out their airlines all the time; yes, Malaysia needs MAS to maintain some unprofitable routes in order to keep the tourists coming in, etc etc.... but there has to be a limit to this. The "social good" argument doesn't mean that airlines can indefinitely bleed cash to support a greater good, whatever that may be.


I think this has already been discussed several times. In my opinion its quite simple. MAS Management they know what you are talking about, but on the other side its even more important at National Airline and Government owned to support the Nations interest. Same goes btw for Thai. Its the government supporting them because this way Malaysia has a strong need for a carrier flying into KUL and they have an interest in Malaysia as Tourism and Economical Destination and as far as I think the calculation should be as simple. The money coming back from the Tourism and from Economy should be more than the one invested in MAS and as long as this is the case I think MAS will continue flying into loss making destinations because they just profit on it the other way.

G-KIRAN
As I know MAS will upgrade their fleet interior (it has been discussed earlier) and I hope to be able to provide more details very soon.

I don't think that it would be the right thing just to as destinations because SQ and TG are flying there

As LOT767SP-LPA said, especially in the Eastern Europe market there is a hugh potential, I'm thinking about countries like Poland, Hungary, Czech Rep. etc.
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Tue Jun 18, 2002 5:54 am

I thought MAS had no restrictions into/out of UK as long as LHR and LGW is not involved. So I believe that MAS should have no problems obtaining rights for the flight to New York via Manchester. I maybe wrong though, but I read somewhere pretty long time ago that MAS were offered rights at Manchester instead of London for their trans-Atlantic services. If they did not take up the rights, will they be withdrawn? Like I said, Amsterdam seems like a good option, when they can combine KL, CO and NWA who are all flying on that route. This could well make one of the "Wings" Alliance route.

I'd just been on a Embraer 145 aircraft and the aircraft is really comfortable. MAS should really consider that aircraft for regional use. Then, they could well provide high frequency services to thin routes in Peninsular Malaysia such as Ipoh, Penang, Langkawi, johor Bahru, Kuantan instead of only a couple of flights a day using a B737. This is what most airlines in Europe/USA is doing. And I know that Embraer is trying to penetrate into the SE Asian market, maybe MAS would be its launch customer in this region?

As far as Scandinavia is concerned, they should really fly to Copenhagen or at least a point in Scandinavia instead of code-sharing with KLM. They would still continue the code-share, but then again, on a code-share flight, you will have to pay a bit more compared to a direct MAS flight. If you look at Scandinavia-SE Asia flights, they are all monopolized by Star carriers, Thai, SIA and SAS. Thus, MAS flying into Scandinavia would be really great, though there will be tough competition. Like I said, there are plenty of Scandinavian companies in Malaysia which could well generate premium traffic.

MAS is evaluating the option of flying into Christchurch as well, according to a local daily. But then again, whether or not the plan materialize is another thing. As far as I know, MAS is planning to fly into Kunming and Chengdu in China first. Then, they are asking the Indian CAA for more landing rights into India, given that MAS only have limited services into India.

There have to be a reason why MAS kept their office in Geneva and Dublin opened and the rest of them in Nice, Berlin, Munich, Madrid, Glasgow etc. closed. From what I see in their website, they had just shifted their Dublin office. Maybe they are planning to fly into these cities, but then again, Geneva have good connections onto MAS' flights at Zurich.

MAS also planned to serve San Francisco in the past, but then the plans were dropped after the 1997 economic crisis. They should probably rethink that plan again now, after all, they could well connect San Francisco with Penang and Bangalore, one of the Silicon Vallies in the East (where MAS fly to as well). Madrid were previously served by MAS but were dropped due to economical reasons, so no point returning there. Now obtaining fifth freedom rights at correct Asian cities is another problem, now that MAS recently increased their KUL-TPE-LAX to daily. Do they still have the fifth freedom rights at NRT? That would be good.

In my opinion, it's better to fly into Sao Paulo as well, if they really want to fly into South America. After all, that's like the financial center of Latin America. Even SAA suspend their EZE flights in favor of flights to Sao Paulo. But then again, they already had got themselves established at Argentina.

Ireland only have it's embassy in Malaysia for the whole ASEAN region?

regards.
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:10 pm

Airbus Lover - MAS used to operate twice weekly to Darwin using Boeing 737-4H6 equipment.
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:22 pm

Adelaide Airport and the SA Government have offered MH incentives in the past to operate from ADL on to New Zealand (as ADL lacks a direct NZ service). If MH are considering CHC, this might be the way to go: a 3x weekly KUL-ADL-CHC-ADL-KUL.

After all, if AKL is served through BNE, surely CHC can be served through Adelaide?
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:25 pm

oh thanks Mas777 for brightening me on that matter, i never knew that operate B737-4H6 into Darwin, did this flight carry onto Cairns? And why did they stopped flying B737s there and swapped to A330 and now have suspended these cities. Maybe they should really reopen this route with their B737 but of course with a new interior... but dont have to do too much work on it because i think mayb in like 5-8 years time these a/c have to be replaced (if it is financially viable) to keep up to the competition, like SQ and TG whose fleet are rather young, esp. SQ with avg. age of 5 yrs when MH's is like 8 yrs.

I do think they should focus more on the ASEAN routes like G-KIRAN mentioned, I do understand that even to Ho Chi Minh City, MAS now i think flies 6 times weekly and code share with VN on 2 flights.. all with B737 and A320(VN) while SQ flies 10 flights each week with A310 and B772!

OdiE, i do realize that Malaysians do not like turboprops simply because they think they are old and crappy, well most people think that but the Malaysians also think that small aircraft are not good so an ERJ145 will be considered Small for them.!

I think it would be wise to replace half of its B737 with 70-seaters (ERJ or FRJ, hopefully the FD728 will survive) but twice the amount of aicraft replaced so now they can duplicate their flights. These aircraft will fly domestically and maybe to close cities like Singapore, Hatyai, Phuket, Bangkok, Phnom Penh (they do not fly daily there), Saigon and Ho Chi Minh city if the B737 cannot fly these route with full capacity.
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:53 pm

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If we are talking about flights between KUL and Vietnam I think the problem is very simple. The Vietnamese Government doesn't want to offer daily traffic right. Especially on the HAN seg. MAS was fighting very long for more flights. Last year they got a 3rd weekly and eff. Jul they will start the 4th (on day 4).

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Yesterday I was looking into the MAS timetable from 1987/88 and I have seen that there was not one non-stop flight from KUL to LGK and they operated most of the flights with the DHT, just a historical reminder which I wanted to share with you  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I don't think that it would make sense to replace the 734 with smaller planes because at most destinations like HKT, DPS, SGN, HAN, MNL, CEB, JKT, RGN there are not that many flights and the loads are excellent. Where I would see an advantage with ER145 or similar planes would be on domestic services, even at Destinations in Sabah, Sarawak and Peninsular Malaysia.
But don't you think that things are getting a little big more complicated with Airbus, Boeing, Fokker, DeHavilland AND Embraer? Ok, think the time for the DHT and maybe even for the F50 will come soon and they should be retired. I would compare the DHT with a Lao Aviation Chinese built Yun12 plane...
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:01 am

If MAS were to fly into CHC, I would believe that it would be a one-stop service. Services to AKL can't even support a nonstop service, so maybe Adelaide or Brisbane maybe chosen. But then again, why are there no direct services between ADL and AKL? Is the yield low or passengers number are low?

I noticed the Asian mentality that big planes are safer for traveling instead of smaller planes as well. If you take a look at SIN-BKK, KUL-BKK and all these flights within 2 hours, they are usually operated by wide-bodies, instead of narrow bodies. However, I think frequency is more important than aircraft type. Thus, if MAS were to order to A320s or B737-NGs to fly these routes by providing high frequency, it would be a good idea. And then employ regional aircraft (that's what they are for!) to destinations like Phuket, Medan and domestic services and providing high frequency would be a good idea!

Take a look at Europe/America. Busy routes such as London-Paris, London-Frankfurt, Paris-Frankfurt, are usually operated by narrowbodies. Even transcontinental route like Newark, NJ to San Francisco, CA is operated by B737/757 on Continental. It would be highly unlikely here in Asia.

As far as Vietnam is concerned, as mentioned by Swissgabe, the Vietnamese Aviation Authorities do not allow foreign airlines to operate that frequent into Vietnam, in order for them to protect Vietnam Airlines.
 
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RE: MAS Seeking New Horizons

Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:08 am

It would only be a matter of time as Southeast Asian aviation and travel evolves that we would see smaller aircraft empolyed on trunk routes. LHR-CDG for example used to be operated with B767s, L1011s, A300s, A310s until the late 1990s - when services were trimmed to offer what is now a fantastic array of flights operated by mainly by 737s and A320s.

Airbus Lover - the B737 KUL-DRW service did not continue to Cairns as MAS did not operate to Cairns at the time. MAS is already in the process of refurbishing their 737 fleet interiors and my comment was that it would be great to see them installing new Golden Club and Economy Class seats (as found on their 777s and 747s) and the removal of a couple of rows to place this (new fleet of) Boeing 737-4H6 'Regional' on routes to Colombo, Manila, China, Darwin, Dhaka and such-like.

When MAS flew the DHC to LGK in 1987/88 - there wasn't really very much there except the fishing village of Kuah. Since then there has been an explosion of hotels and resorts (some like me may be rather weary of this concept and its environmental effect) - hence MAS' vast operations there now along with Air Asia and the new Langkawi International Airport.

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