The market is way too small, once again your right. Forget that Memphis is a HUB and the flights will be operated by CRJ's. Also forget that NW have the exact same number of flights in Toronto and Montreal.
Since you and pretty every other yYZer has mentionned, you pretty much thinking its a conspiracy.... Im not envoking this, but my position is best demonstrated by my friend Carribb (Doug Bull).. Neil I urge you to read this in full, and not let it go and pretend nothing intellectual was written..
In response to Marco:
That's exactly what most people here are saying. Try looking at some of the old posts to get a better understanding for the general opinion on this board. Not everyone here thinks alike.
I think what irks people is that Air Canada is the overwhelming dominant carrier in this city. They use that to their advantage. Now that they've taken over CP there is no local competition for them face.. so for instance a route like YUL-FCO was easily cut and all passengers funneled through London or Paris. This helps makes the 3 international routes AC flies to from here a little more profitable and the load factors a little higher. In effect they can now only operate nonstops to the 3 big Euro hubs and leave additional secondary expansion for Toronto. Previously they didn't have the size or clout to abandon routes with such ease because there was often another carrier who'd just fill in and take over the nonstop market. Tel Aviv was another good example where Air Canada used it's scheduling to overwhelm El Al and effectively push them out of the Montreal market. Once done they dropped the YUL route and started funneling us through Toronto to get to Tel Aviv.. They did a similar push to oust Wardair out of Birmingham England from Toronto way back in the 80s and then dropped the British city. It's a strategy used over and over again and because Montreal is not their main concern we end up losing the carriers to Toronto's advantage. Mark is correct on that point but yet it is not obvious to people outside the city. It is also a logical thing to happen given YYZ's hub status and Air Canada's strategy. It's also correct to say that a city of 3.5 million people should not have to be subjected to that. Nor should the laregest ethinic community in Montreal, Italians, not have a scheduled nonstop service to their homeland while smaller immigrant communities have successful niche routes to theirs. That's why I suggest avoiding YYZ and Air Canada, use the competition and therefore encourage the local competitive market. It's not an anti-YYZ or anti-Air Canada strategy on my part, just a pro-Montreal one.
From Montreal now Air Canada's strategy seems to be to code share to most of the routes where existing carriers fly to/ from Montreal. So not surprisingly there are Star Alliance code shares to Athens (Olympic), Prague (Czech Airlines), London (British Airways) and Amsterdam (KLM) for instance. They did the same for Bucharest (Tarom), Madrid (Iberia) and Moscow (Aeroflot) before those carriers left the city. The aim, most likely to take market share away from them.. weaken them and push them out of the city so they can take over as much, if not all of their market and funnel the passengers through Toronto, London and Frankfurt. Who's the odd man out here? Paris. Why? Air France is formidable competition to Air Canada. There is no Star Alliance partner there for conenctions either so their market share is more vulnerable. What have they done? Not surprisingly added a flight. The competition stimulated the market and Air Canada actually reacted positively to it.. the first time on an overseas route since the CP take over. If ever Air France left Montreal I'm bet my last dollar Air Canada would reduce frequency on the route to one flight a day again.Sadly though where ther eonce was competition there is little left here anymore. Both to Europe and the USA. From YUL only London, Paris, Miami, Laguardia, Newark, O'Hare, Boston and Philadelphia have true competitive environments (Star Alliance vs Oneworld (LHR, MIA, ORD), SkyTeam (CDG, LGA, BOS), Wings (EWR via CO so kinda Wings, ), US Airways (PHL, LGA)).. and now Toronto with Jetsgo. Air Canada only expands or upgrades service when hit competitvely so until a new carrier comes in little effort is made to stimualte existing markets. New carriers resist coming to Montreal knowing Air Canada will protect it's market share and has the clout to do it.. so we are left with less carriers but of those remaining most are solidly entrenched and doing well.. enough to keep others from splitting the pie up into smaller pieces.
I've been saying that here to a few members of the board since it began. It's an embarrassment to all of us. But like I said to people here - you don't have to reply. No one is forcing you to and in reality why should we care what you think or you care what we think? If we are both secure in our city's airports, what they can do, it's potential for growth etc.. then does it really matter who has more flights or routes? It's not a competition. Why don't we just stop it?... No one's changing their opinions and I get the feeling that's it's become more of a "let's get the other guys going" type of discussion.. a forum for everyone to vent their anger...ps: a waste of time.
In either case new airlines serving either city can help stimulate a market and help us both. It brings people to Canada and both Montreal and Toronto are the country's two most important destinations and the two closest cities people are likely to visit. So instead of bashing one another we should be seeing that reality instead. We should be encouraging each other not bashing one another. A simple example is what Mark D said, why can't some flights stop off in YUL on the way to Europe? If the market is there why make us go to YYZ to get it? Amsterdam, Rome and Tel Aviv being the best examples.
Lastly though, you say you are glad YYZ is such a success. Fine, me too. However I never hear you guys say that you are glad Montreal has made a come back of sorts and you are glad we are getting our act together? Instead it's always put downs as if you are putting Montreal "in it's place". Why? That's the attitude that angers people here and that's why many of the younger guys react so harshly to those threads. I don't see why you'd dump on fellow Canadians like this? We aren't a big powerhouse in this world and together we are stronger... so a little encouragement won't hurt and it would be welcomed and appreciated so long as it's not patronizing. So in the words of Rodney King "Why can't we all just all get along?" LOL...