englandair
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UK Regional Airline News!

Sun Jun 16, 2002 1:40 am

Hi guys,

I have a few questions and some news that you might not have heard.

  • In August, Air Wales will take delivery of their first ATR 42. The Cardiff based airline will also take delivery of 2 more ATR 42s in December this year, and March next year. The ATRs will replace AWW's 2 Do 228s, one of which will leave the fleet towards the end of the year and the second will be disposed of next Spring. Apart from its current destinations of Dublin and Cork does, Air Wales plan to introduce any new routes? (Manchester and London have been mentioned)


  • British Northwest has begun services from Blackpool to the Isle of Man and Belfast using an EMB 110 and a Piper PA31. BNW’s website says they’re also planning to start flights from Blackpool to Dublin.
    After Platinum Air Charter ceased operations, is it likely that the new airline will be interested in taking over the Blackpool-London route in the future? (Platinum flew to London’s Biggin Hill)


  • Shetland Airlines plan to be based at Sumburgh and operate Do 328 sized a/c by the end of this year. Does anyone have further information please?


  • Lydd Air were rumoured last year to be planning to start operations from Lydd (where the Hell’s that?!) with 3 Trislanders. Anyone know more….?


  • One the subject of Trislanders, does Aurigny plan to start replacing their fleet of eight anytime soon? The a/c are all 20 years old (at the least) and are apparently unpopular with GR’s passengers. Also is their SD360 still with them and are they operating charters between Guernsey to Gloucestershire Airport again this summers? A forth Saab 340 has joined the fleet.


  • Midwest Air is a proposed airline hoping to operate a twice daily service between Gloucestershire’s Staverton Airport and Dublin. The airline hopes to start operations this summer using a Do 228. Anyone have further info?


  • Linkair ceased operations last year but hoped to start up again, flying between Exeter and London with a Cessna Grand Caravan. Any idea if they’re still planning to be come airborne again?


  • Skybus (based of the Isles of Silly) was planning to introduce a larger aircraft to their fleet of 3 Trislanders and a DHC Twin Otter. Are they still planing to do so? Also are they operating their seasonal St. Mary to Bristol and Exeter services this summer, and are their St. Mary to Land’s End and Newquay services still all year round?


  • Eastern Airways have 4 Jetstream 41s due this year to add to their fleet of one J41 and twelve J31s. The rumour is that Eastern may aquire a further 5 J41s from British Regional. Eastern is also rumoured to be interested in acquiring jet aircraft (they are currently leasing an ERJ 135 from City Airline, which operates on the Norwich- Aberdeen route). The airline has recently introduced a twice daily Humberside to Edinburgh service using a J31.


  • British European’s revenue has grown by 10% compared to this time last year, according to their website. BE is also reporting that their England-Scotland routes are doing extremely well, with Birmingham-Edinburgh showing 97% more passengers than this time last year! Birmingham as a whole is doing well for BE, with passenger figures showing a 39% increase on last year. One of the DH8-300s is to be returned to the lesser along with a Bae 146-100, as they’re being replaced with brand new DH8-400s


  • Scot Airways was looking at operating the Do328JET on the condition it could operate at London City. Now that it looks unlikely, is CB considering the aquasition of another jet type? (the Bae-146 is popular CB’s partner airline British European, who are looking to dispose of a few of their older 146s- is it likely Scot Airways is interested?) Also, why is the airline returning two DO328s to Dornier, and have they ceased their Cambridge to Amsterdam route?


  • PHEEEEEW!

    So does anyone have any further UK regional airline news, or can answer my questions?

    Thanks a lot!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

    (Thanks to Jethros UK and Ireland Fleet Listings for a lot of the information.)






     
    trident3
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Sun Jun 16, 2002 2:07 am

    Lydd is on the Romney marshes on the Kent coast near to Folkestone. It is the airport from which the SilverCity Bristol Freighters and Carvairs used to fly to Le Touquet.This is probably the route that Lydd Air would operate.
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Sun Jun 16, 2002 2:12 am

    "We are the warrior race-Tough men in the toughest sport." Brian Noble, Head Coach, Great Britain Rugby League.
     
    englandair
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Sun Jun 16, 2002 4:39 am

    Thanks alot for the information guys- I'd never even heard of Lydd, let alone a small airport with international flights there!

    The website (which is supprsingly proffesional) says they have daily flights between Lydd and Le Touquet using a 19 seater Trislander. The livery is white fuselage and tail with large dark green "Lydd Air.co.uk" titles across the side and what looks like a large LA symbol on the tail.
    Their website also offers package holidays to Le Touquet (flights of course with Lydd Air) and for £39pp they offer a very cool service on Saturdays. It's called Fly 'N' Dine and you get a presentation by the captain, a 20 minute sighseeing flight and then a silver service meal! Not bad for under 40 quid!
     
    AirX
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Sun Jun 16, 2002 4:49 am

    I never thought Aurigny operated charters from Guernsey to Glouster?I have never known them to operate charters from GCI only their schedule routes.
    The Jersey to Glouster flight is still running this year with a Shorts 360,is that what you meant?They also are serving Manston and Camebridge again this year as well as the frequency being increased on the Jersey to Guernsey routes and also Jersey and Guernsey to Dinard routes.
    Air Wales also operates Monday,Thursday,Friday and Sunday flights to Jersey from Swansea.
     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Sun Jun 16, 2002 4:53 am

    What ac types do BE use on there Birmingham - Belfast City routes??? is it the Dash 8's or the Bae146
     
    trident3
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Sun Jun 16, 2002 4:58 am

    I actually flew from Lydd once,back in 1983 Iwent to Austria by coach.Instead of the usual trip across the channel by ferry, we flew from Lydd to Ostend in a Dart Herald operated by an airline called Janus Airways(although it was actuall a British Air Ferries aircraft with the titles painted over!) Two things I remember about the place were the 1930s architecture and the potholes on the taxiways!
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    EGBB
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Sun Jun 16, 2002 5:00 am

    The BHX - Belfast route is 146 at the moment but will be Dash 8 400 soon.
    btw Glasgow has now gone to 6 x daily

    Hope this helps

    Derek Pedley
     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Sun Jun 16, 2002 5:05 am

    How good are the train services between Glasgow and Brummie?
     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Sun Jun 16, 2002 5:05 am

    the BHX-BHD operates with 146, Dash Q400 and CRJ equipment. primarily on the 146 though.

    regards

    mike
     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Sun Jun 16, 2002 5:12 am

    Do you know when it changes because i am going on the 6th July for the weekend.
    Also what are the problems like at the moment because my mum is a bit concerend
     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Sun Jun 16, 2002 5:37 am

    has already changed, the Q400 has been on the BHD route for a few months already. BHX crews operate the BHX-BHD-BHX sectors on the Q400, and a mix operate BHD-BHX-BHD on the 146. The CRJ is used on some weekend flights.
     
    englandair
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Sun Jun 16, 2002 8:00 am

    Thanks for your responses.

    Does anyone know what's happening with Euroceltic Airways? There's been rumours of them moving their base from London Luton to Waterford, aquiring jets (BAe-146), and starting an LTN-LPL service, but no one can give definate answers! Any idea?

    AirX,
    Sorry, you were right- the flights are to Jersey and not Guernsey.
    By your name, I'm guessing you've got some interest in Lecocqs(?). Do you (or anyone) know how their Alderney-Bournemouth flights are doing? Do they have any plan to add more mainland destinations? Also, is their Islander painted in the same cool colourscheme as their Trislander?



    Thanks again  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
     
    AirX
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Sun Jun 16, 2002 7:01 pm

    I am not sure how their flights to Bournemouth are doing,however,I understand that their flights are much cheaper than those of Aurigny to Southampton so they are probably doing quite well.
    After the no fly zones were lifted around Cherbourg,they started flying in to there now as well.Also I think they are starting flights to Jersey in the summer months as I saw their application in the newspaper though I am not entirely sure.They had also wanted to go in to competition with Aurigny on the GCI-ACI cargo route but the Guernsey transportation Authority turned down their application.
    I don't think they are interested in operating new mainland destinations though I could be wrong,and yes their Islander is painted in the same c/s as the Trislanders.
     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Sun Jun 16, 2002 8:59 pm

    is Air Wales going to take up any of the routes BA dropped from CWL??

    regards

    mike
     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:56 pm

    Ive heard rumours of an Air Wales CWL-MAN-NCL flight.
    Also, have British European applied for the rights to fly NCL-DUB?
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    HUYfan
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Sun Jun 16, 2002 10:17 pm

    CWL-MAN-NCL would be good  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

    BE have put in for the NCL-DUB, but at the moment, they don't have the spare a/c to operate it. Don't think they will take up the route. BE are also examining the possibility of using the CDG based CRJ on other duties than to BRU, probably BHD.

    regards

    mike



     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Mon Jun 17, 2002 2:41 am


    As in the Air Wales (sounds familiar?) CWL-MAN route that existed for around 6 months last year, and which they couldn't make a success of (they charged relatively high fares I believe, and didn't do an awful lot of promotion work). Don't see how they could make the route profitable by re-introducing it extending to NCL!

    If Euroceltic were to get jet aircraft, they may stand a better chance of getting a LPL-LTN service to work. Remember, that route went from 3 daily easyJet 737 who dropped it due to alleged high landing charges at LTN then there was a little hiatus when Euroceltic began their 2 daily F27 service before dropping it due to alleged low loads (don't have those figures to hand). Anyone who used the former service would have been bemused by going on a perceived "elderly" aircraft.

    David
     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Mon Jun 17, 2002 2:53 am

    There was a rumour that Air Wales were interested in Swansea-Glasgow.
    They would do well to take over BA's Cardiff-Scotland routes.

    Clive

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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Mon Jun 17, 2002 6:15 am

    ....and one more question: Does Keenair still operate their Blackpool-Isle of Man, and Liverpool-Cork flights?

    Cheers!
     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Mon Jun 17, 2002 4:48 pm

    anyone?
     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Mon Jun 17, 2002 6:34 pm

    BE are having a complete re-think of their strategy at present, realizing that they can not compete and make money against the low cost carriers on routes such as BRS - BFS. Today they are competing with lower fares, but with a significantly higher cost base. They see the low cost market becoming even more of a threat over the next 18 months, and they have to decide to join them, or become even more of a regional niche carrier.

    What we could see happening is the replacement of the 146 with a fleet of six 733's in a high density layout.

    Based LGW BHD
    BHD to BRS, BHX, LGW, LBA, NCL, ABZ, IOM
    LGW to GCI, JER, IOM

    Weekend operations will be reduced to allow for charters, as well as routes such as BHD - AGP, and from outstations such as BHD - NCL - AGP - NCL - BHD.

    The regional division will focus on the Dash 8's based ex LCY if the airport will reduce landing charges, which are the highest in Europe.

    The company is having difficulty attracting passengers airports where they compete against BA, BD and the low cost operators for traffic to london.

    They may develop a tertiary route network to include routes to and from regional airports, which include Lerwick, Carlisle, Blackpool, Exeter, and Irish regional destinations, such as Galway, Donegal and Waterford. These routes are perfect for the 37 seater D8-200's operating a once daily schedule, with the aircraft overnighting cheaply at the outstation. (i.e GWY - LCY (current daily operations) LCY - GWY). As these airports do not have any competition, BE can operate at more unfavourable times (early morning departures), and charge higher fares. With sub 50 seater aircraft operating the routes excess capacity will not be a problem.

    Air France operations will be operated using the Dash 8-400 Equipment until union restrictions allow a change to the maximum size of aircraft.
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Mon Jun 17, 2002 6:47 pm

    what is your source bestwestern?

    regards

    mike
     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Mon Jun 17, 2002 7:24 pm

    i have to say that i have'nt heard such a load of tosh in ages!

    firstly, BE will not replace its 146 fleet with 737s.
    secondly, BE will NOT operate AF flights with the Dash 8.
    thirdly, BE will not launch tertiary services to LERWICK!!!!!!!OR ABERDEEN!!!!
    fourthly, NCL-AGP is not possible with ANY a/c in the BE fleet.
    fifthly, BE is doing very well on their regional routes from BHD, ESPECIALLY BHD and NCL!!!!!!!

    i cannot believe what has been said here, i am VERY close to BE and unless i get a company memo stating the above, i would'nt believe it in a million years! Where does this bulls#@t come from!

    REGARDS

    (a very frustrated mike)
     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:52 am

    hmmm certainly an interesting thought BestWestern!

    You're saying that they should:

    a) Move their main bases
    b) Replace all of their BAe-146s with bloody great B737s
    c) Change their service from offering drinks and snacks on all flights, to offering nothing
    d) Open up lots of routes out of LCY to destinations that very rarely see any airline service, let alone scheduled flights (where the Hell's Lerwick, btw?!)

    You probably know more about the industry than me, but you appear to be saying that British European should turn itself into a completely different airline altogether!!!
     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:56 am


    Enlgandair, Lerwick is in the Shetland Islands! News from British Northwestern is that they are ceasing services due to poor loads.

    David
     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:18 am

    tut tut tut- I should have known that!  Nuts
    Thanks David.

    Shame that BNW are going the same way as so many other start ups...
     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:23 am

    According to Jethros UK and Ireland Fleet Listings, British Northwest Airlines ceased operations on Saturday (15th). It also says that Isle of Scilly Skybus have aquired another DH-6 Twin Otter.
     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:27 am

    You´re right. First i tried the amadeus CRS, there a US-dba-connection didn´t show up. At itn.com, there it shows up, also in the winter timetable season - very strange.

    At the moment, i don´t have other information about this topic than the intended stop of all codeshare agreements. But perhaps they changed their opinion again? Or the reservation systems aren´t updated yet (what i can´t believe).

     
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:29 am

    Sorry about my post above, wrong topic!
     
    BestWestern
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    RE: UK Regional Airline News!

    Tue Jun 18, 2002 6:05 pm

    I stand by what I said.....

    BE cannot survive doing what they are doing today. Companies like BE survive through serving monopoly routes with low capacity and high fares. Competition on regional - regional markets usually means the demise of one carrier on the route (lots of examples of this, both domestically and on the Irish Sea routes).

    As a regional carrier BE have to constantly re-invent themselves and search for new untapped markets, such as those i have suggested earlier. The Dash 8 200 and 300 is a perfect route prooving aircraft for these markets.

    BE is also trying to be a low cost carrier, and freely admit that they are cheaper than Go and EasyJet. Show me one profitable carrier operating 146's or Dash 8's in a low yield market. Either they have to go for a 733 or abandon this low fares market. Low fares on a high CASM aircraft spells failure. BE cannot afford many un profitable routes.

    The Air France part of the business is profitable, but now that Air France owns many regional carriers themselves, I cannot see much expansion of this market for BE. Proof of this is CRJ fleet that BE purchased for AF operations is now underutilized on routes that do not suit the markets.
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