kaitak
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Airbus To Deliver Airbuses To Iraq

Mon Sep 27, 1999 6:41 am

Airbus has announced that it will deliver five Airbus jets to Iraq, once the Iraqi sanctions are ended. However, before people jump down Airbus's neck, do bear in mind that the ending of sanctions is not imminent and even when they are ended, the five A310s on order would have to be powered by US built engines . . . not imminent.
Iraqi Airways nearly operated A310s in the early 1990s after its "hostile takeover" of Kuwait Airways. The aircraft were flown to Iraq and shoddily repainted in Iraqi Airways livery. Two 767s and two A300s flown to Baghdad were destroyed in bombing raids. Iraqi Airways hasn't operated in over eight years and most of its fleet is still grounded in Amman and Tunis.
 
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RE: Airbus To Deliver Airbuses To Iraq

Tue Sep 28, 1999 6:30 am

This is baloney. We go to war against these people and now we are going to sell them aircraft. Why is Airbus even talking to them? This is definately a slap in the face of the brave men and women who served in Desert Storm on BOTH sides of the Atlantic. Maybe after the sanctions are ended but comeon. Right now there are British Tornadoes and American Tomcats patrolling over that country looking for enemy bogeys!
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
 
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RE: Airbus To Deliver Airbuses To Iraq

Tue Sep 28, 1999 7:29 am

"Hostile takeover." hahaha! That is funny as hell. You certainly have a way with words, Kaitak.

Now, let me express my thoughts. This is yet another example of Airbus' blatant disregard for what is right. All those people care about is profit. They build inferior aircraft, use government subsidies to undercut a company that builds aircraft the right way, they sell to anybody regardless of who they are or what they've done. Selling anything, whether it's a stick of gum or an airliner, to Saddam Hussein's regime is unscrupulous, unethical, and unprincipled. Airbus plays dirty, and anybody who is convinced that Airbus products or business philosophies are in any way superior to Boeing doesn't know the first thing about aviation.

CX747 is right. This is indeed a slap in the face to Gulf War veterans like myself. It is a slap in the face to Boeing and all American companies, which have shown the restraint to refuse to do business with rogue states, such as Iraq, Iran, and North Korea, all three of whom seek to obtain a nuclear arsenal. Worst of all, it is a slap in the face to my brother, who on February 20, 1991 gave his life for the people of Kuwait, for the defense of the democratic ideals of the people of the United States and western Europe, and to show people like Saddam that they cannot commit such horrific acts without somebody taking a stand for what is right.

Today, Saddam Hussein still rules Iraq with an iron fist, oppressing the people of Iraq, the Kurds in northern Iraq, and captured Kuwaitis, Iranians, and Turks. Airbus sent a clear message to the world: "WE CAN BE BOUGHT."

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United946

Tue Sep 28, 1999 7:42 am

I really enjoyed reading your post there. I did not really agree with your thoughts at the beginning, but by the end of your comments, I did. I do not really know enough to offer any comment of substance here. I look forward to others views. I'am sure there will be many.
 
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RE: Airbus To Deliver Airbuses To Iraq

Tue Sep 28, 1999 7:47 am

Does anyone know where this news came from - can someone please point out the source - Thanks.
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RE: Airbus To Deliver Airbuses To Iraq

Tue Sep 28, 1999 1:23 pm

United946, I'm deeply sorry about your brother. Having served myself and with a brother who's a full-time combat officer, I can imagine how it feels.

However, my experience has taught me that the motives of politics are never simple, always self-serving, and the victor gets to write the history. I am in no way bashing your views nor am I degrading your contributions in freeing the people of Kuwait. I honor the gallant efforts that you and thousands like you put forth to reverse a horrible crime. But I also think it is not fair to say that the world is so starkly black and white. There is only but a few degrees of separation between this and the dangerous view that everyone on your side is automatically morally superior. In fact, an extreme form of this kind of blinded nationalism is exactly what you bravely fought and what your brother gave his life to eradicate.

Again, my sincere condolences and may you come to peace with your loss.

P.S: Sorry for the off-topic post, but it is something I had to say.
 
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United946

Tue Sep 28, 1999 1:28 pm

I don't think that anything else can be said on the subject. Beautifully stated and explained. Airbus should be ashamed of themselves.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
 
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RE: Airbus To Deliver Airbuses To Iraq

Tue Sep 28, 1999 1:39 pm

I do not want to start a political here.....but when airbus sells aircrafts to Iraq, they should be ashamed of themselves but when the US government helps overthrow Allende's elected government in Chile in 1973, when the US government support's Suharto's invasion of East Timor in the 1970s by supplying military material, when the US gov gives the "most priviledge nation" status to China -run by a dictatorship, when.. blah blah blah....endless list.....
NO, THE WORLD IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE!

 
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RE: Airbus To Deliver Airbuses To Iraq

Tue Sep 28, 1999 1:40 pm

I do not want to start a political debate here.....but when airbus sells aircrafts to Iraq, they should be ashamed of themselves but when the US government helps overthrow Allende's elected government in Chile in 1973, when the US government support's Suharto's invasion of East Timor in the 1970s by supplying military material, when the US gov gives the "most priviledge nation" status to China -run by a dictatorship, when.. blah blah blah....endless list.....
NO, THE WORLD IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE!

 
kaitak
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RE: Airbus To Deliver Airbuses To Iraq

Wed Sep 29, 1999 3:54 am

Perhaps I should comment further on this. Firstly, to answer a previous poster, the source of the news was the BBC's Ceefax, which is normally reliable. However, in fairness, it does not state the background. I am not trying to make excuses for Airbus, but this may have been an announcement following some official contact between France and Iraqi officials.
It should be pointed out that there is probably not an equivalent French phrase for "principles in diplomacy"; if there were, it has probably fallen into disuse. France does what suits France (and do bear in mind, they fought against Iraq during the Gulf War.)

Anyway, it is very much a Pyrrhic victory, as A310s are powered only by US engines and I can't imagine your local Senator getting up to support a motion, "right, lads, shall we allow PW or GE to export engines to Iraq!" And Airbus - and France knows that. So, they talk nice words (and the French are good at that), in the full knowledge that there's not a chance in Hell that Iraq will ever fly these aircraft. And everyone's happy. Well, except for Iraq and perhaps everyone outside France. But France is - and that's what matters.

Joking apart, I do sympathise very much with you, United 946. And I can very much understand your annoyance.

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