Britair
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BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Tue Jun 18, 2002 7:59 pm

British Airways is introducing a new fare structure on selected short haul routes offering improved selling options and a wider choice of fares. In addition to the 24 routes announced during April and May an additional 47 routes have been included in the new fare structure with effect from Thursday June 20th. These new routes include regional flights within the UK and flights to France, Portugal and Italy.

Saturday night stay and advance purchase restrictions have now been scrapped for new lower year round air tickets on flights from the UK to France, Italy, Portugal, Holland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark.

Prices will start from £59 return on domestic routes and £69 return including taxes, from London to Paris and Amsterdam.
The new fares will be available from Thursday 20th June and the earlier a booking is made, the wider the choice of lower
fares available.


FRANCE
Heathrow - Paris
Heathrow - Nice
Heathrow - Lyon
Gatwick - Nice
Gatwick - Bordeaux
Gatwick - Marseilles
Gatwick - Toulouse
Gatwick - Paris
Manchester - Paris
Manchester - Nice
Manchester - Lyon
Glasgow - Paris
Edinburgh - Paris
Belfast City - Paris
Aberdeen - Paris
Birmingham - Paris
Bristol - Paris
Cardiff - Paris
Jersey - Paris


ITALY
Heathrow - Rome
Heathrow - Milan Linate
Heathrow - Milan Malpensa
Gatwick - Rome
Gatwick - Bologna
Gatwick - Genoa
Gatwick - Naples
Gatwick - Pisa
Gatwick - Verona
Manchester - Rome
Manchester Milan - Malpensa
Mancheste - Venice
Edinburgh - Rome
Edinburgh - Milan Malpensa
Birmingham - Rome


PORTUGAL
Heathrow - Lisbon


UNITED KINGDOM
Glasgow - Birmingham
Glasgow - Manchester
Glasgow - Southampton
Glasgow - Bristol
Edinburgh - Birmingham
Edinburgh - Bristol
Edinburgh - Manchester
Edinburgh - Southampton
Belfast City - Edinburgh
Belfast City - Glasgow
Belfast City - Manchester


PREVIOUSLY ANNOUNCED ROUTES
SCANDINAVIA
Heathrow - Stockholm
Heathrow - Oslo
Heathrow - Copenhagen


HOLLAND
Heathrow - Amsterdam
Gatwick - Amsterdam
Manchester - Amsterdam


UNITED KINGDOM
Heathrow - Glasgow
Gatwick - Glasgow
Heathrow - Edinburgh
Gatwick - Edinburgh
Heathrow - Aberdeen
Gatwick - Aberdeen
Heathrow - Newcastle
Gatwick - Newcastle
Heathrow - Manchester
Gatwick - Manchester
Gatwick - Jersey
Gatwick - Guernsey
Gatwick - Newquay
Gatwick - Plymouth
Gatwick - Bristol
Gatwick - Inverness
Gatwick - Leeds/Bradford
Stansted - Manchester




All fares are combineable:
This means that the passenger can travel out for instance, on a fully flexible fares and return on a restricted fare.

No minimum stays and a maximum stay of one year:
This means that the Saturday night stay also no longer applies.

No Advance Purchase:
It remains advisable to book early to ensure the lowest fares.


The benefits of flying British Airways:
Including pre-seating, the convenience of easily accessible airports, complimentary food & beverage for all passengers, lounge access and frequent flyer miles for eligible passengers and an excellent network and schedule.


Take that Ryanair, EasyJet, Go and Buzz!!!  Smile  Big grin

 
artsyman
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:12 pm

I am posting this to two threads as it is relevent.

While I have to admit before I post this that I am favouring BA over the no frills, I find (for right or for wrong) that they offer a better service, and in recent times offer better fares in many cases than the no frills.

I think it is interesting that today the slur against the no frills safety comes out on the same day that BA announced fares that are going to severely challenge the no frills....coincedence ? ...you decide

Jeremy
 
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:15 pm


No doubt "insider information" allowed you access to the routes concerned - there's no specific mention of routes, just countries in the link provided by my thread!

David/MAN
 
Britair
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:20 pm

Well, it is all above board I assure you  Smile  Smile The list of destinations has been communicated to the travel trade today, so it isn't classified info. (i value my job and respect my company too much to let anything out that isnt official!!)  Smile

Cheers  Smile

(p.s. sorry David about the duplicate post!! I didnt see yours before I posted this.....sorry mate!!)  Smile
 
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:05 pm

Some people may get cheaper fares, but the average fare will probably rise.. BA are doing this to make more money. Don't forget - they are not a charity.
You are 100 times more likely to catch a cold on a flight than an average person!
 
richardw
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:22 pm

Routes missing include Spain and GB Airways, seems unlikely that these will change in the short term.
 
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:24 pm

This is great news. Much as I adore flying the low-cost airlines, flying BA has also always been a pleasurable experience-I am glad they have decided to stop, for the time being, charging on occasion, unreasonable fares on shorthaul routes.

Lisbon is definitely a goer, I'll have to try BA out on this route!!

Thanks for the news, and thanks to BA for making travel more affordable!!

(and thanks to the no-frills group for poking a stick at BA and BMI....it worked!  Big thumbs up )

Cheers, and happy travels, whatever you do this summer!
 
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Tue Jun 18, 2002 10:07 pm

Just want to say that the fares are also available to the UK

I bought yesterday one of those cheap fares (EUR 103 return, which is approx. GBP 69) for a day spotting in LGW. Allthough EZY is cheaper, BA offers a superior schedule (7.10 am arrival and 7.25 pm departure).
 
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Wed Jun 19, 2002 12:58 am

I just tried to book 2 tickets to Lisbon from LHR in September. The new ultra low oh-my-god-I-can't-believe-it's-so-cheap fare was....... £ 1,276.20

Who are they trying to kid?
 
artsyman
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Wed Jun 19, 2002 1:17 am

Parra, I get the same fare for 59 pounds, you need to enter through the portal on the main page that links to the new specials as it isnt already merged into the system

Jeremy
 
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Wed Jun 19, 2002 1:22 am

The BA website has a small little problem when it comes to fares, i wanted a flight from stn to mancester and it wanted 600 pound for two people!

If you give it time it does work.
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Wed Jun 19, 2002 1:50 am

These cheap seats on week day journeys are only for a tiny percentage of seats - do you really thing that BA will sacrifice the £504 London-Franfurt businessman fare!!!! That would be a one way trip to bankrupcy!!!

I should also point out that BA operating costs are 2 to 3 times higher then Ryannair -so they are heavily dependant on the £500m LOndon-Frankfurt fare. That what keeps them in business.

It is ludicrous to think that BA could compete on price in any large scale way!
 
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions S

Wed Jun 19, 2002 2:57 am

BA knows what it is doing, months of planning have gone into this. Yield management has the equation down to a fine art, and the reason that BA is staggering the roll-out of new routes is so that everything is done carefully and managed successfully.

@Eugdog:
The £504 LHR-FRA type fares are still important and are still there, the whole point is that yeild is being managed carefully....so if you want to fly out to FRA at 8am and return at 5pm (the businessmen flights) yes, sure it is going to cost you, but if you are flexible and can leave at 1pm and come back at 9pm, then there are fares out there for you. Ryanair, EasyJet and the rest do exactly the same thing. Sure their full fares are cheaper.....but you dont get lounge access, convenient airports, ff miles, full service catering and advance seating. The full fares are for those who value these above pure cost. And yes we can compete on price in a large scale way.....we are bigger, we have the schedules, more seats overall, means even at a smaller percentage of cheaper seats, we are still big enough to be a viable alternative.

I am not trying to justify the stance, just try to explain it. BA isnt alone in all this, you try doing the same thing with Lufthansa, KLM, AirFrance et al. We just happen to be the first full service airline to take on the low cost carriers at their own game.....no sat night away, no advance purchase etc. We are also the only European airline with that level of low cost competition......4 airlines serving our home market. Things are changing, LH and AF will be in the same boat as us with FR and EZY on their backs.

We arent a charity, we are a business with shareholders and employees that need to be paid! We are in trouble in europe (we are the first to admit that), but this hopefully will restore profitbility in the long term. I think it will work, above all the consumer is better off, lets just hope BA is too.

Cheers
 
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Wed Jun 19, 2002 3:05 am

In addition to what Britain said. Who still thinks that those guys in Business pay the full fare? Most of them are probably on corporate tickets costing a lot less (discounts up to 40%) than the full fare with almost the same rules as the full fare (they're off course not transferable to other airlines).

And yes, KLM is doing the same. However, they still require a minimum stay.
 
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Wed Jun 19, 2002 3:29 am

Just booked myself a return flight MAN > LHR for a couple of months time on BA - £69+ taxes - bargain !!

This is great news - unlike Eugdog I dont care what the cost structure is like - if I can get flights at a decent price I am happy. What he does fail to think about is that these are (just like no frills airlines) fixed tickets so aren't great for a business man - since the business community (of which I include myself) are happy to pay extra for flexibility and a sensible airport (Hahn anyone????) and suitable flight times, then that only means that BA can continue to offer low fares which may be supported by expensive business class tickets (who really pay for the flight - in which case they can realistically compete with the no frills airlines because the high yield passenger is maintaining the profit whilst they are also filling seats with discounted fares !!

I know what my time is worth whilst working and its certainly not worth saving a few quid on a flight and ending up in Hahn instead of Frankfurt !!

The £69 flight on the other hand is for a vacation - I know when im going and I know when im coming back so the cheap fare is great for me - hell I even get to use the lounges and get a small amount of FF miles !! and I know my connecting flight to the US will be there and if it isn't - they'll put me on the next one !!
 
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Wed Jun 19, 2002 3:33 am

I believe BA can compete on price for economy passengers - they wont want to compete on price for business class passengers since thats not the same product offered by low cost airlines.

Its a bit like saying you want a Ferrari for the same price as a Mondeo because they both do the same job !!! The Ferrari is a superior product as is business class.
 
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions S

Wed Jun 19, 2002 3:43 am

Well said RickB!  Smile Good to see you got a good fare MAN/LHR! Enjoy  Smile Thanks for choosing BA (as corny as that sounds, we really appreciate your business!)  Smile

Cheers Smile
 
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Wed Jun 19, 2002 3:49 am

Artsyman:

I've just checked again and unless I stay 7 days it's the same price even 3 months ahead. For the same price I could fly to just about anywhere else on earth through a consolidator.
 
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Wed Jun 19, 2002 3:54 am

Good move by BA. If they will stay the course they will experience markedly improved results. Perhaps they have finally discovered the axiomatic truth that trying to manipulate capacity in hopes of being able to gouge pax by offering fewer flights and/or less capacity on existing flights has proven once again (as it always has in the past) to be a losing plan.

Here in the U.S., America West recently became the first "full-service" major to break ranks with the cartel and make long-overdue pricing reforms, implementing what has come to be called their "fair structure" offering equitable fares that are not deliberately aimed at discriminating between business and leisure travelers, except to the extent of covering the higher costs associated with flexible (non-restricted) fares that tend to be used by more by business pax than leisure pax -- ala U.S. moneymakers Southwest, jetBlue, AirTran and Frontier. It is no coincidence, IMO, that America West also appears to be ahead of the rest of the "full-service" pack in the U.S. in returning to profitability. They have stayed the course with their "fair structure" in spite of stupid things that others (most notably CO and NW) have done in attempting to retaliate against HP for their decision to do the right thing.

If BA will do the same and not allow the stupid things others may do in response to cause them to backpeddle, their pricing reforms will bring about a markedly improved bottom line and shareholder value. You can take that to the bank Smile!
 
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Wed Jun 19, 2002 4:59 am

I did LHR-GLA on with BA for £69 yesterday, it was booked about a month ago and I went out at 0845, with a return at 1930. Both flights were about 65% full (757's) but you can bet that the guys queueing at the sales desk at 0700 testerday mornig were paying a damn sight more than £69!!

BA is now about the same price as easyJet for trips to Scotland but I get a proper meal in both directions and I don't have to spend an hour and a half getting to Luton or Gatwick, consequently I am one former easyJet passenger who now travels BA every time.


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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Wed Jun 19, 2002 5:02 am

I should add that when I say 'every time' it also applies to my next flight to my next flight to Singapore in October. Prior to this I have had only one long haul BA flight since 1989!

Matt
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions S

Wed Jun 19, 2002 5:56 am

"....i am one former easyjet passenger who now travels BA every time"....ahhhhh  Smile Music to my ears  Smile Thanks Matt!  Smile
 
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Wed Jun 19, 2002 6:06 am

Of course, living within earshot of LHR does have A LOT to do with it!

Matt
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RickB
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Wed Jun 19, 2002 6:32 am

Britair - dont worry - plenty of my money has gone BA's way !! I'm flying to LHR to get on Concorde !!

If I can I try to fly BA, sadly over the last 6 or 7 months, BA had become prohibitively expensive, I flew to Atlanta, Orlando, Singapore and around Europe with other airlines because BA where just too expensive for me to justify - usually well over a £1000 more business class than competitors on long haul routes, with the new prices (including Concorde) flying BA will be much easier even for the business class passenger to justify.

Yes way BA !!
 
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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions Scrapped!

Wed Jun 19, 2002 6:39 am

America West also appears to be ahead of the rest of the "full-service" pack in the U.S. in returning to profitability.

You are kidding me right? They have a CASM-RASM spread of -21% for Q1, which puts them below DL, NW, CO, US and UA for operational profitability and above only AA.
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Wed Jun 19, 2002 11:16 am

Britair, I was wondering if you could e-mail me?

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RE: BA European Fares Slashed & Restrictions S

Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:17 am

ok  Smile

damn, this post was too short ....ok filling in space...well while I'm doing this why not go to: http://www.britishairways.com/lsp/newba/sound/sound.shtml
and listen to some BA music!  Smile