CactusCMH
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Asian Airlines FA

Tue Jun 18, 2002 11:56 pm

I wonder if any Asian airlines, such as CX or SQ hire Caucasian flight attendants? What if a Caucasian who can speak the local language and fullfil all the requirements, applys for the job, does the airline have the right to reject the applicant simply because s/he is not Asian?

 
SQ772
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 12:13 am

In Asia, unlike the US, employers can reject an applicant simply by the fact that he/she does not have the right colour, shape, image for the job. So, even if a caucasian speaks the language, but doesn't look Asian, she will still be rejected. Hope this helps. And yes, I believe the airline has the right to do so...
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qatarairways
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 12:21 am

Not all airlines in Asia are like that. I can think of several examples: Qatar Airways, Kuwait Airways, Emirates Airlines and Gulf Air. They are all Asian airlines and all employ Caucasian F/A's
 
CactusCMH
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 12:46 am

Thanks for your response, SQ772 and QatarAirways.
QatarAirways: Yes, I know that Middle Eastern airlines employ foreign FAs. They do that because they don't have any choice. From what I understand about Middle Eastern countries (please correct me if I am wrong), women are not allowed to work. Also, I have read that many Middle Eastern countries are very wealthy. Many local citizens don't need to work and still have a very comfortable life.
This is a different situation from CX or SQ.
 
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 12:52 am

Cactuscmh,

Middle Eastern women are allowed to work, you might be mistaken us with Afghanistan under the Taliban rule. Also only the Gulf countries can be considered wealthy and a common mis-conception is that many people can live comfortably without work but that is not the case here although in most of the Gulf their are generous well-fare programs.
 
Marcus
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 1:17 am

I just flew on Asiana from LAX to Seoul this past May 26th. and on the flight there was a US born flight attendant.......don't know if she spoke Korean, but she seem to tend mostly to the needs of caucassian passengers.
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PacificFlyer
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 5:45 am

I've seen with THAI, caucasian are allowed to work for the company weaing the distinguished purple uniform but I guess can only work on the ground, such as the ticketing counter at foreign airports, but I don't think they can fly!
 
manni
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 5:56 am

I've seen European crew onboard All Nippon airways flights. Never seen them on any other flight with an Asian carrier, except for Air Mauritius (but they are not really Asian IMO).
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 12:06 pm

Marcus, how was your flight on Asiana?
 
SQ772
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 12:22 pm

According to the original post, cactusmh asked about SQ and CX...

SQ and CX do not hire caucasian FAs because of the Asian image they want to portray. I believe MH,GA, PR etc also do not recruit caucasian FA on a regular basis. Some of the above airlines provide foreign crew because of their ability to speak route specific languages...but these FAs tend to be Asian looking as well.

In contrast, EK recruits FA from all over the world because it is marketing itself as the airline with crew who are able speak almost all the major languages of the world.

I suppose some of you are right, there are caucasian crew on OZ, JL, NH because of their ability to speak certain languages. This is unlike UA or other American carriers where FAs are recruited based on their suitability for the job, and not based on their race and image.
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chepos
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 3:50 pm

Royal Brunei Airlines only hires f/a's from Brunei, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand. I think it's ok because they want to transmit a Southeastern Asian flavor on their product .
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agmyvr
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 3:57 pm

CX does hv a Caucasian crew base in YVR, and she has been with CX nearly four years and mainly operate YVR/HKG and YVR/JFK flights, and she speaks Jpnese too......oh I think I hv post this on another thread.....anyway
 
swissgabe
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 3:58 pm

Airlines like Japan Airlines, they have Caucasian FA based at LHR and FRA for their Europe-Japan-Australia flights. You get a basic Japanese course and training...

Also with Malaysia Airlines I have seen caucasian FA but on Domestic flights only so far. You have to speak Malay I think...
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agmyvr
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 4:00 pm

ooops hvn't finished yet....

she doen't look like an Asian but looks absolute alright with the CX Purple uniform and actually she's a Senior Purser..... Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
flyua
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 5:21 pm

Aren't there a good number of Aussies working for Asian carriers? I believe JAL and perhaps even Cathay hire them for their language (and their blonde-haired, blue-eyed looks?!). One of my fellow United Flight Attendants did work for Asiana for a short period. She wore the same candy-striped uniform and was trained in Seoul. I believe she mastered at least a few basic Korean phrases, but she was indeed onboard for the "image" and for the benefit of the English-speakers. I don't know of any Asian carriers currently employing U.S. Flight Attendants, though.
 
SQ772
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 5:30 pm

Swissgabe, are you sure you saw a caucasian FA on MH, and not a fair skin Indian or Malay? Some of them do have features and can easily be mistaken for a caucasian. Anyone can confirm if MH, CX actually employ caucasians as FA?

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swissgabe
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 6:04 pm

No, for long time MAS policy was it to hire only Malaysians as Cabin Crew. They changed it a few years ago but it is still very restricted, Flight Deck crew is only Malaysian as far as I know...
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SQ772
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 6:06 pm

Cool, I learn something new everyday  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 6:10 pm

Are you sure about caucasian f/a at CX or were they just ground staff?
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Ryanair!!!
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 9:30 pm

Excuse me? Caucasian FA in MAS? I beg to differ... you could have seen the crew from Virgin Atlantic because they share cabin crew on their LHR-KUL-SYD runs.
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swissgabe
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 9:35 pm

Ryanair!!!
I'm talking about a domestic flight, I think it was KUL-TGG. It is only possible since around 1 year and MAS has just a few of them as they have Japanese, Korean and Chinese FA.

Thanks anyway, I never flew on Virgin or on a MAS/Virgin Codeshare flight...
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 9:44 pm

You'd be surprised at the amount of Eurasians in Malaysia. Look at their celebs, start counting how many has some Caucasian parentage of some sort. Especially those with English and Portugese ancestry. Some of them look really white! So this is probably where the Caucasian FAs stems from.
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swissgabe
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 9:52 pm

It could be on this partical one but as far as I have been advised there are Caucasians flying there. If not I would have been informed wrong by the HR Department at KUL...
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 10:00 pm

Ooops, if you were informed by the HR, then it could mean that I do not know MAS as well as I think I do! But it has taken me by surprised though. Malaysians are very proud of their ethnic diversity and you would never see a Causcasian on TV advertising for a product! Well, then again... I guess I do not know MAS that well after all!

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swissgabe
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 10:38 pm

Ryanair!!!
I know what you are talking about but since they hired already Japanese, Chinese and Koreans I don't see a difference of Caucasians. But as I said earlier, I think they have to speak perfect Bahsa Malaysia and I don't think they are looking out especially for Caucasian FAs.
That what you said goes for all Asian Airlines I think, also with JAL you never would see a Caucasian FA in any advertising...
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airpearl
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Wed Jun 19, 2002 10:46 pm


TG has Caucasians as cabin crew. I flew on a BKK-KUL flight last month with a male Caucasian FA onboard. It was quite a surprise for me - and I had originally thought he was an Lufthansa FA (as this flight was a codeshare with LH, amongst others), but he was wearing the full TG uniform. I wonder if he's the only one?
 
Marcus
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:51 am

No no no no......the FA in the OZ flight I took was wearing the full OZ caramel candy uniform........I did not hear her speak Korean but most of the Asian passengers would rather ask a Korean FA, so she mostly helped out with Caucassian passengers who spoke English, as for cabin announcements a Korean FA would speak in Korean and she would do the same announcement in English.

As for the flight?.......this was my first time in Asiana and Korea and I certanly hope to go back on the same carrier, service was great and so was the food, yes even the himchi!, service was allways with a smile no matter what, prompt and efficient........then again I had only flown internationally with BA, AA and Delta.
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agmyvr
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:05 am

SQ772/Cathay Pacific

This is my 3rd time to assure you that CX does have a Caucasian Crew BASE IN YVR, and she has been working for nearly 4 years, and now she's a Senior Purser, I hv just seen her working at the upper deck on the CX888 YVR/JFK flight last Sun. And she works just as good as her Asian collegues.
 
swissgabe
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:14 pm

The problem with Caucasians at Asian airlines is not that their collegues would work better but I think it is always the problem to be accepted by Asians as FA. As Marcus said, Koreans would prefer to talk to a Korean FA, Japanese would like to get a Japanese FA etc...
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agmyvr
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Thu Jun 20, 2002 5:05 pm

Maybe this is the reason why she is hired by CX for their YVR/HKG/YVR and YVR/JFK/YVR serving those Canadian(Caucasian) passengers.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Anyway I just want to point out that CX does hv a Caucasian F/A
 
CXCPA
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:08 pm

CX employs do not care the nationality of their staff. They just care the productivity of the staff.
 
Marco
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RE: Asian Airlines FA

Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:15 pm

I have two friends who work for Emirates. Emirates is very selective about recruiting F/A's. Nationality doesn't matter, but they do go after caucasian F/A's a lot.(they have recruitment offices in London and Australia). To work for EK, you need to be fit, reasonably tall and presentable. Also, you have to be under 30 years of age. One of their priorities to choose good looking and presentable F/A's.
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