D-AIGW
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747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Thu Jun 20, 2002 1:33 am

A few minutes ago at 00:25 a 747 passed VERY low (I estimate that to be below 1000ft) over Discovery Bay, very close to the mountains. It was doing full thrust, and must have turned way too early.

I tuned into radar (123.8) and heard something about Springboard 287, the conversation involved "terrain area", and the pilot saying "Thanks for the details, thanks for your help." Does anybody know what the anomaly is?
 
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RE: 747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Thu Jun 20, 2002 2:07 am

Could it be SAA (callsign Springbock)?

dcy.
 
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RE: 747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Thu Jun 20, 2002 2:20 am

Yeah. Seems to fit.

SAA287 departs Hong Kong at 23.50 local time for Johannesburg.

dcy.
 
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RE: 747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Thu Jun 20, 2002 6:36 am

you mean SAA= South African Airways? I though their callsign is simply" South African"...
 
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RE: 747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:39 am

"Springbok" is the callsign for SAA on ATC.



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RE: 747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:56 am

Quite apart from the callsign, this is the second time in a relatively short space of time that aircraft have (apparently) been very close to high ground near the airport. Wasn't there a JAL DC10 last month in a similar situation.

Surely the HK CAA will be looking into this incident; the last thing they want is a fatal CFIT accident. Are all the possible obstructions lit by beacons/warning lights; are the SID instructions sufficiently specific about the dangers of turning too early (if that's what caused the problem?)

 
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RE: 747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:49 am

There was an Air France freighter crew that turned 2.2 miles BEFORE SMT VOR, instead of 2.2 miles AFTER it, putting it is danger of hitting the mountains. ATC provided vectors and everything was ok. ATC told them that they were naughty boys. I think it might have been in Flight.
 
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RE: 747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:03 am

1000 feet at DB, thats sounds good for one of those crappy -200's they have been flying for years !!
 
D-AIGW
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RE: 747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:47 am

Pretty sure it's that SAA (Springboard) plane here. Those engines were making the whole place noisy as hell. Guess somebody's gonna complain soon...
 
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RE: 747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Thu Jun 20, 2002 6:03 pm

You've got to admit though, Springboard would be a good callsign!!

I don't think HKGSpotter was being particularly anti-Boeing in that comment. He was merely referring to the fact that the 747-200s that SAA operate are rather old and it is about time they were replaced. (Yes I know there are Airbuses coming to replace them)
 
D-AIGW
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RE: 747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Fri Jun 21, 2002 12:17 am

NWA742,

Just curious, but what exactly is a "Springbok"?
 
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RE: 747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Fri Jun 21, 2002 12:22 am

What else did you hear on your scanner D-AIGW?
Anything about an engine failure?
The scenario seems to fit!

A Springbok is a type of deer found in South Africa, sort of like an antelope.
Or if you live in NZ, it's a member of the South African rugby team, one of our greatest rivals.  Smile
 
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RE: 747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Fri Jun 21, 2002 12:41 am

Isn't a SpringBok an animal similar to a buffalo?
 
wietse
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RE: 747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Fri Jun 21, 2002 12:43 am

Nah, it's a very small Gazelle.... Big thumbs up
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RE: 747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Fri Jun 21, 2002 1:46 am

A springbok is a kind of deer found in SA.

By the way Discovery Bay is the coolest place!! I know one of the govenors there is really cool! I like the golf carts! Anyone else been?
 
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RE: 747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:47 am


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RE: 747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:47 am

Are you sure they don't have wings ??

As for the 742's they fly in, I guess they can't be in the best of shape. All those hours on planes of that age. How many hours is it direct from Hong Kong to Jo'burg ??

Anyway, I can't wait to see the A346 later this year !!
 
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RE: 747 Extremely Low Over HKG

Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:43 am

Jo'burg - Hong Kong will be the first route to be allocated to SAA's new A340-600's as they arrive in December this year.

The plan is for SAA to stop its 3x weekly Bangkok service in favour of a daily Hong Kong service.