bobcat
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Why Is There No NRT-IAD Nonstop By Any US Airline?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:40 am

Why is there no Tokyo-Washington/Dulles nonstop by any US airline?
The only airline flying this route is ANA of Japan...
(with UA code-sharing this flight)

Did United ever operate this route with its own aircraft?
 
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RE: Why Is There No NRT-IAD Nonstop By Any US Airline?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:02 am

what other us airline would? United doesn't need to because they codeshare with ANA, and the only 2 that would be possible are American and NWA, which both are highly unlikely to happen for a long time, if ever. american only operates to nrt from its hubs and sju, and nwa operates to nrt from its hubs and the normal lax, sfo(?), and jfk. why is there a reason for any other us airline to operate to nrt
 
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RE: Why Is There No NRT-IAD Nonstop By Any US Airline?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:49 am

correction: American does not fly San Juan-Tokyo(even though they probably should). I think he meant SJC-NRT which is San Jose-Tokyo.

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usairways85
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RE: Why Is There No NRT-IAD Nonstop By Any US Airline?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 11:11 am

yes sjc is what i meant, thanks
 
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RE: Why Is There No NRT-IAD Nonstop By Any US Airline?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 11:15 am

That is mean one of the use flew nonstop from SJC-NRT flight as for B777 aircraft. This is correctly one as for itself by the routes and that is IAD-NRT by nonstop on B777 aircraft on All Nippon Airways as for longest-range routes. That is using on codeshare by UA, TG, LH, SK, SQ, AN, and more. Well, see ya!!
 
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DFW To ICN

Thu Jun 20, 2002 11:22 am

There is service from DFW to ICN
and ATL to ICN and ORD to ICN
and IAD to ICN.

Why would you want to go to NRT?

That airport stinks!

Too high in landing costs!!


Go Korean Air instead!


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RE: Why Is There No NRT-IAD Nonstop By Any US Airline?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 11:31 am

nwa operates to nrt from its hubs and the normal lax, sfo(?), and jfk

NWA has nonstop service to NRT from DTW, MSP, LAX, JFK, SFO, SEA, HNL, GUM, SPN, BKK, ICN, MNL, TPE, KHH, PUS, PEK and PVG
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RE: Why Is There No NRT-IAD Nonstop By Any US Airline?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 12:04 pm

NW is the 2nd largest user in Tokyo-Narita, and the biggest user (in terms of foreign airlines) in Tokyo-Narita.

I think UA is trying to position IAD as "the gateway to Europe". May be that's why UA didn't start any IAD-Asia flight.
 
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RE: Why Is There No NRT-IAD Nonstop By Any US Airline?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:51 pm

I think if NWA had a few more 747-400s (2 to be exact) then IAD-NRT would be possible. There is a huge asian feed in the DC area, and it would be great to cut out one stop for people currently going to DTW then NRT or MSP then NRT on the 747-400s.

But, given the current economic conditions I doubt any huge new route like this is very likely.

NW offers a daily DC10-30 (26/247) to AMS and it does very well along with 5 daily to DTW and 5 daily to MSP.
 
japanguy
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RE: Why Is There No NRT-IAD Nonstop By Any US Airline?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:34 pm

I haven't seen a 744 at MSP in a LONG time. They are based totally at DTW and JFK now. All Japan flights from MSP are running the 742s.

I have also wondered why there is not that much more "asian" service out of the Washington area. Flying to the nation's capitol generally has prominence for the flag carriers of other countries. The city isn't that small either!

My guess is that traffic isn't there. ANA downgraded the service from a 744 to a 777 last year, and at one point, even eliminated the nonstop (they routed through ORD). True, KE flies to IAD, but only two times a week.
 
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RE: Why Is There No NRT-IAD Nonstop By Any US Airline?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 11:23 pm

I haven't seen a 744 at MSP in a LONG time. They are based totally at DTW and JFK now. All Japan flights from MSP are running the 742s.

You are incorrect. MSP-NRT has been running as a 744 since June 1. The summer schedule for the 744s will be as follows :

1x DTW-NRT-PEK (2 planes)
1x DTW-NRT-PVG (2 planes)
1x DTW-NGO-MNL (2 planes)
1x DTW-KIX (1.5 planes)
1x MSP-NRT (1.5 planes)
1x DTW-AMS-BOM (2 planes)
1x JFK-NRT (1.5 planes)
1x JFK-AMS (1 plane)
1x NRT-BKK (0.5 planes)
1x NRT-MNL (0.5 planes)
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RE: Why Is There No NRT-IAD Nonstop By Any US Airline?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 11:45 pm

I sympathize with you Bobcat. Here in Denver, I see several 744s a day, and many 777s, but what Pacific routes from UA do we have?...nothing. The Asian population here in Denver is also quite large. Korean Air couldn't make it work here, even with a 744Combi, (stop in LAX). It looks as if we will get ANA in the next few years, partly due to UA's hub. But that's it. We are not a major international port, never will be.

I just returned from a trip to IAD. I was very happy to see all those Euro Carriers there. A lot of A330s! I also counted 8 UA 777s at the gates, that is some Atlantic pull you got there. . .wow.
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RE: Why Is There No NRT-IAD Nonstop By Any US Airline?

Thu Jun 20, 2002 11:50 pm

Did I misread an entry above, or does NW only have two 744s? As for service from IAD to NRT, the one ANA flight is quite enough. DTW is a business center and centrally located for feeder flights. UA and ANA code share. I love IAD and it's my home airport. But the business just isn't there for UA, NW, or any other U.S. carrier.
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RE: Why Is There No NRT-IAD Nonstop By Any US Airline?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 12:00 am

Long ago, NW flew IAD-ORD-NRT with its 747s, flight 3 I believe. Now that UA dominates at IAD, its code-share service with ANA is sufficient; pax also, of course, have the option of flying with UA to LAX, SFO or ORD and transfer to flights to the Washington DC area. If demand warrants, its possible that UA would add a 2nd flight on the route.

Also remember that many business travellers prefer flying into close-in DCA, and if they fly first to another US gateway, say ORD, and clear customs and immigrations, they can then catch a flight into conveninent DCA. This also happens frequently in the NYC area, where AA flies many pax from NRT to DFW and then DFW to LGA. If you take the total trip time (from door to door, not airport to airport), sometimes it comes out quicker to connect......you arrive in your destination city, have no potential customs delays, and are at least 45 minutes closer to downtown.
 
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RE: Why Is There No NRT-IAD Nonstop By Any US Airline?

Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:39 am

My bad. I don't live in MSP anymore and didn't realize they brought the 744 into MSP. That is truely awesome for all you Minnesotans!

My love is Asia, but my work is now in Europe :-(