kjet12
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Western Airlines 1986

Fri Jun 21, 2002 3:59 am

Another post made me ask this question. When I was a baby, I flew on Western Airlines from MSP-SLC-SMF. It would have been in April of 1986. Does anyone know what type of airliner it may have been? My father seems to think it was a 707, but I'm guessing it was a DC-10 or 727. Any ideas?

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Tom in NO
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RE: Western Airlines 1986

Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:15 am

My first guess for the MSP-SLC run would be a 727, my guess on the SLC-SMF run would be a 737. I've got a timetable for somewhere around that period at home, so I'll take a look at it this evening.

FYI, it looks like Western unloaded most of their 707's in the early/mid-70's.

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Greg
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RE: Western Airlines 1986

Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:19 am

Actually...I thought they hung onto those 720's for quite a while (going to Air Malta in the 80's).
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picarus
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RE: Western Airlines 1986

Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:48 am

I'm with Tom....probably a 727/737 combination. While it's always possible a DC-10 operated on the MSP-SLC segment; I really think the only time WA DC-10 operated into MSP was on the N/S service to LAX discontinued sometime in the early 80s.

The 720s were definitely around during the late 70s.
 
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RE: Western Airlines 1986

Fri Jun 21, 2002 4:54 am

OK, I did a little digging:

Western operated 29 720's. The last of these was deleted in 1980. Most of the others left in either '74, '78, or '79, with a few leaving in other years.

They also operated 7 707's. All but 2 of these left WA in 1980, the other left in '62.

The fleet in April of 1986 would have consisted of 9 DC-10's, 40 727-200's, 27 737-200's, and 8 737-300's (more of which were arriving at the time)

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RE: Western Airlines 1986

Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:37 am

Likely a 727-200.........as mentioned above, WA was a big 720 operator until the late 1970s and used them frequently on short-haul runs once the DC10s took over the Hawaii services in the mid-1970s.

Western actually replaced the 720s with 72S and 73S aircraft, some of the WA 73S were among the last 73S aircraft built, some are even newer than the WA 733s. The 733s were early build, and taken in return for a cancelled order for six 767-200 aircraft.
 
norjet
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RE: Western Airlines 1986

Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:26 am

The through-flight at that time would have been WA53, departing MSP at 1500, SLC 1633-1720, arriving SMF 1750. Operated with a 727-200, the flight continued on from SMF to LAX and then LAS (wow, that's chasing your own tail). On June 1, 1986 WA changed the routing to MSP-SLC-SJC but kept 72S equipment.

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kjet12
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RE: Western Airlines 1986

Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:36 am

Thank You for all of your help. I really appreciate all of the effort you have put in.

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Tom in NO
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RE: Western Airlines 1986

Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:55 am

The WA timetable I had is dated July 1, 1985. It also shows the through flight 53 as a 727-200, operating MSP-SLC-SMF, and continuing to LAX and LAS. It also shows two possible connections through SLC. MSP-SLC (WA 375, a 727-200 or WA 55, also a 727-200), the SLC-SMF portion either WA 421 (a 727-200) or WA 635 (a 737-200).

Western, another great airline that got swallowed up and disappeared.

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kjet12
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RE: Western Airlines 1986

Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:07 am

I just asked my father about what time the flight left and he said it was in the morning. He also saved the ticket stub and is currently looking for it. When we find it I will update it.

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RE: Western Airlines 1986

Fri Jun 21, 2002 12:43 pm

Kind of off topic but when I flew for StatesWest out of PHX in 1987, we all(ATC included) called the Western 737-300's "Bud Light 737's". They were a highly polished aluminum with bright red and navy stripes with the "W" logo on the forward fuselage. The colors looked just like a can of "Bud Light" beer. Ah, the good old days when everyone had a sense of humor.TC

P.S.--In addition to that, in '88 at ORD, the controllers called AA MD80's "snakes" and UA 737-200's "guppies", 737-300 were "super-guppies" and, of course, the 747's were "whales". I tried(to no avail) to start a trend of calling 767's "mega-guppies". It never took. Of course that was back when ORD had character--taxiways were named instead of lettered. "Old scenic", "Wolf Road", outer, inner, wedge, cargo, 32 bridge.... No humor any more--Oh, I guess I said that already.
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timz
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RE: Western Airlines 1986

Sat Jun 22, 2002 7:30 am

15Feb86 OAG shows three MSP-SLC flights, all 72S, and three SLC-SMF flights, one midday 72S and two 73S. 15July shows four flights on each segment: 2 x 72S, 73s, 733 MSP-SLC and four 73Ss SMF-SLC. If you want details e-mail me.
 
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RE: Western Airlines 1986

Sat Jun 22, 2002 7:47 am

I recently obtained a filstrip (one of those old HS career things) on flight dispatchers, and the one I have was apparently shot at Western's dispatch office at LAX, Given info in the audio track, and the aircraft photos (WAL 707s, and even a PSA727-100 in the background) I figure the thing was shot in the 1968-1970 timeframe.

I'm in the process of having the whole filmstrip and audio converted into a Flash presentation, and it should be up on my school website in the next couple of weeks.

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ScottB
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RE: Western Airlines 1986

Sat Jun 22, 2002 8:08 am

Well, Western hasn't quite entirely disappeared; you can still see the "WA" registration on some of the Delta Express 737-200's, as well as some of Delta's 727-200's and 737-300's. I saw a couple of "WA" registrations on my last Delta trip...

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