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Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:47 am

Do you think passenger flights will follow down the road?

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:14 am

> Do you think passenger flights will follow down the road?

I don't know. Time will tell.

Only SQ has been able to maintain regular passenger flights between Asia and Brussels during the last 20 years. Other attempts of various carriers (GA, MH, UL, NH, TG, MU) were always short-lived.

Perhaps CX & SN may strike a deal for a code-shared passenger service between HKG and BRU.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:41 am

Thats alot of Asian's out of Belgium, and dont forget Biman Bangladesh are they there to stay?
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:49 am

For those not well versed with airline codes, the carriers mentioned by Established02 are;

Garuda Indonesia
Malaysia Airlines
SriLankan Airlines
All Nippon Airways
Thai Airways
China Eastern Airlines Smile
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:44 pm

You forgot to mention Asiana.
When did ANA fly to BRU?
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:53 pm

Thai was making money on the route but they stopt under pressure from Lufthansa.(to do code share from Frankfurt).
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:41 pm

Isn't the CX cargo flight just a replacement for the Air HongKong flight?
And CX starting pax service to BRU seems unlikey to me

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:52 pm

> When did ANA fly to BRU?

I stand corrected. ANA never did fly to BRU with their own aircraft. It was the SN/NH codeshare which I had in mind.

> Isn't the CX cargo flight just a replacement for the Air HongKong flight?

Yes, that is how it has been announced in the press.

> Thai was making money on the route but they stopt under pressure from Lufthansa.

A travel agent had told me that TG had left BRU, during a time when SLR offered flights to Phuket at very low fares. Soon after this TG joined the Star Alliance.


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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Sat Jun 22, 2002 12:31 am

Syrian Air have also added Brussles to their network, which other Middle Eastern carriers fly there? I know Saudi Arabian Airlines Cargo operate to the city.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Sat Jun 22, 2002 12:46 am

> which other Middle Eastern carriers fly there?

Only LY & RJ.

You can find more info about pax and cargo operations at BRU at:
http://www.brusselsairport.be/timetables/
http://www.brusselsairport.be/cargo_tt/

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Sat Jun 22, 2002 12:55 am

Here is the transition schedule according to http://www.brusselsairport.be/cargo_tt/

The only difference appears that CX will operate only 5 flights, while LD lately operated 6 weekly flights.


Cargo flights from Brussels (BRU) to HONG KONG (HKG)
Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity
LD002 ------7 16:20 13:25 74F 2804-3006
LD002 ---4--- 16:20 13:25 74F 2104-3006
CX002 1--4567 16:20 13:25 74F 0307-2610
LD002 1-3-56- 16:20 13:25 74F 3103-3006

Cargo flights from HONG KONG (HKG) to Brussels (BRU)
Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity
CX001 --34567 23:45 14:35 74F 0307-2610


Cargo flights from Brussels (BRU) to MANCHESTER (MAN)
Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity

Cargo flights from MANCHESTER (MAN) to Brussels (BRU)
Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity
LD002 ------7 12:10 14:35 74F 2804-3006
LD002 ---4--- 12:10 14:35 74F 2104-3006
LD002 1-3-56- 12:10 14:35 74F 3103-3006
CX001 1--4567 12:15 14:35 74F 0307-2610



 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Sat Jun 22, 2002 1:54 am

SQC will add one more flt thru Bru (eff aug2002). Rumours even talk about a second additional cgo flt and two additional pax flts
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Sat Jun 22, 2002 2:51 am

What's the frequency of SQ's SIN-BRU route & what aircraft do they normally operate?

I'm not too sure whether we'll see CX doing HKG-BRU but now that they're replacing AHK's cargo service they should consider & study the feasibility of starting a passenger service to Brussels. Maybe they've already determined such a route isn't profitable for them & shelved plans to start HKG-BRU. If they do start HKG-BRU, I see them codesharing with SN.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Sat Jun 22, 2002 3:30 am

Very interesting info 744rules!!

Will the B777 come, or will it stay the B744?

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Sat Jun 22, 2002 5:05 am

at this moment there are 3 pax flts ex sin into man (tue - thu - sat) and 3 flts
ex man into sin (wed - fri - sun)

sqc has a flt on sun (sin-shj-bru-jfk), same a/c returns on monday (jfk-bru-shj-sin). there is a flt on thu (ex ord or dfw i think) thru bru onto shj and a flt ex usa (also dfw or ord) onto bom.

the additional flt, according to rumours, is a scheduled cgo ex muc. I think we will get an additional cgo flt on tue and on fri  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

As far as I know no 777 into bru.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Sat Jun 22, 2002 5:12 am

Has SQ a flight from SIN to Brussels that proceeds than to JFK?

I think that this a cargo flight that you mean. SQ has pax flights to the USA from Amsterdam.

Does anyone know how profitable this route is for SQ? It seems profitable enough for a B747...

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Sat Jun 22, 2002 5:22 am

sq used to have 3 pax flts sin-bru-jfk a few years ago but they stopped this operation due not profitable

@frederic in my reply i did mention sqc which now is the freighter callsign
(singapore airlines cargo, radiocallsign sincargo ....)

the pax flts are referred to as sia (singapore airlines, radio callsign singapore ....) . The iata codes remain unchanged as sq

So, in fact, sia and sqc are two different companies  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Sat Jun 22, 2002 6:10 am

Sabena 690 you are absolutely correct.

Singapore Airlines Cargo flight SQ7998 is a Boeing 747-400 Freighter.

Depart Singapore Changi Airport: 0555 (Sundays)
Arrive Sharjah: 0855
Depart Sharjah: 0955
Arrive Brussels: 1440
Depart Brussels: 1640
Arrive New York JFK Airport: 1850

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Sat Jun 22, 2002 9:04 am

SQ's cargo flights through BRU are profitable.

Their passenger flights are not turning a profit. The passenger flights operate 3x744 SIN-BRU-MAN M/W/F and MAN-BRU-SIN W/F/Su and the problem here is that neither BRU nor MAN generates much premium traffic. Economy loads from both stations are pretty decent, though. A lot of SQ's traffic ex-BRU is tourist traffic headed to Indonesia, and this has taken a hit in recent years.
SQ has been in BRU a long time, though. I guess it is a "nice to have" route.

Since the early 1990s SQ has operated various routings through BRU, including: SIN-BRU-JFK, SIN-ZRH-BRU, SIN-FCO-BRU.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Sat Jun 22, 2002 9:09 am

Don't forget BR (EVA Air).

EVA Air received 7 slots from BRU, but it's cargo flight only used 4. So it is still likely that BR to fly Brussels with 3x weekly.

Although EVA is still quiet about this one.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Sat Jun 22, 2002 5:13 pm

Thanks for clearing this out 744rules and Singapore_Air!

@Jiml1126, there were already rumours some months ago that BR would start pax flights to Brussels.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Tue Jun 25, 2002 6:30 am

Brussels is listed on Saudi Arabian Airlines website as a cargo destination, and heres pic proving SV Cargo fly to Belgium.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Tue Jun 25, 2002 6:52 am

> and heres pic proving SV Cargo fly to Belgium.

Airmale,

Saudia Cargo has been flying to Brussels for about 15 years. Therefore it's likely that you will find more pictures about SV at BRU in the A.net database.

I noticed that you're from Pakistan. Just curious, what makes you interested about air traffic in Belgium? It would surely be nice to see PIA at BRU one day.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Tue Jun 25, 2002 7:04 am


SQ said two or three years ago that MAN was now making a profit, though I've haven't had any news from them recently. Part of any perceived lack of premium traffic may be attributed to them offering a one-stop service rather than a non-stop one. They appear to be doing much better in filling the aircraft this year (some 236 pax per flight, which is 13% higher than last year, in the period January to March).

The printed MAN timetable makes no mention of a MAN-BRU service on the depature listing. It lists MAN-BOM on Th & Sa, MAN-AMS on We, Fr & Su and MAN-ZRH on Mo & Tu. Can't help on the arrivals as it just lists SIN!

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adding Belgium To Cargo Network

Tue Jun 25, 2002 10:08 am

Established02-Hi! Belgian aviation interests me as far as Asian/Middle Eastern operaters are concerned, because its one of the lesser known West European states so its interesting to see airlines from my part of the world flying there, as for PIA they'll only operate there if a large Pakistani immigrant community is present, like in Norway one country I never imagined PIA would fly to, Sweden yes, Norway noway, but PIA cargo are considering operating to Ostend if and when they convert one of their A300s into a freighter.
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