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Pilots: Most Challenging Approaches These Days

Sat Jun 22, 2002 3:17 am

Eugdog has started a thread asking what the most spectaculat approaches are.
A while ago I asked the question on PPRUNE what fellow aviators nowadays considered their most challenging approaches, but it got moved to Jetblast and deviated onto matters totally immoral LOL  Wink/being sarcastic
So, let's try this forum and ask the same question.

Commercial drivers, list the most challenging (or rewarding) approaches you fly/have flown which can still be flown today.

Here are mine, not too impressive, as my experience is limited to the Med., Europe, parts of Africa, oh and 2 airports in the US ! :

1. Corfu, night, mist
2. Skiathos anytime
3. Madeira nasty windshear
4. Innsbruck
5. Arrecife, runway 23 high ground on final
6. Nice, depending on wind and associated shear

Best jump-seat ride was a Varig 733 into Rio de Janeiro Santos Dumont....breathtaking on a scale able to change the colour of your pants !!  Big grin

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RE: Pilots: Most Challenging Approaches These Days

Sat Jun 22, 2002 3:26 am

EEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek, I meant Arrecife runway 21 !!!
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RE: Pilots: Most Challenging Approaches These Days

Sat Jun 22, 2002 3:31 am

San Diego - Very Challenging as you are very close to the City Buildings etc.

Canarsie 13L at JFK - was sitting next to a UAL 744 Capt. one time on a flight He said it is almost as hard as the old Hong Kong APR.
 
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RE: Pilots: Most Challenging Approaches These Days

Sat Jun 22, 2002 4:16 am

I've done the Canarsie 13L and R at JFK and they weren't all that bad. Just follow the lead-in lights!  Smile

What I think sucks is the River Visual 19 at DCA. The river is pretty narrow and if you veer too far off, you're going to get an airspace violation.

For some reason, all that "s-turns across a road" training that I did when I was working on my private really helps!

Plus, well, it's also handy to have the non-flying pilot call out your DME from the runway so you can maintain a 3:1 until you pick up the VASI a few miles out. Then you have to make another low descending turn, pick up an entirely different VASI and land on a short runway.

Add a crosswind or some inclement weather and it's a treat on one hand, but a terror on the other!  Smile Don't get me wrong, it's really fun actually getting to manuever the aircraft in such a fashion, but it's not for beginners.

On top of that, there are special security procedures that you've got to follow to a "T" else you're getting diverted to an alternate airport with a fully-armed F-16 flying in formation with you.

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RE: Pilots: Most Challenging Approaches These Days

Sat Jun 22, 2002 4:52 am

Lugano! (Italy) anyday...  Big thumbs up

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RE: Pilots: Most Challenging Approaches These Days

Sat Jun 22, 2002 7:54 am

Will reiterate Corfu for reasons mentioned. Never found Arrecife to be a big problem, only landed once on 21 and the high ground is daunting but probably looks closer than it is. Stick to the procedure and all is well.

I don't fly to JSI or INN, but am told they are a bit hair-raising as is JMK (Mykonos). Doing my training checkout for Madeira next month so will comment on completion!

Otherwise I find Kos (KGS) at night a bit rough, tunnel vision is pretty disorienting, poor runway lighting. Samos (SMI) is fun too. Dalaman is OK but at night the hills again can be daunting.

So many Greek Islands, so few ILS approaches  Insane. Ah well that's what makes this job so fun!
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RE: Pilots: Most Challenging Approaches These Days

Sat Jun 22, 2002 9:07 am

Tegucigalpa, Honduras is known for being "sporty" as is Aspen, Colorado. I've flown both approaches, Aspen is the worst.
 
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RE: Pilots: Most Challenging Approaches These Days

Sat Jun 22, 2002 12:13 pm

What is the approach to DCA like now? Is it still following the potomac or is it a very quick base and a short final leg?
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RE: Pilots: Most Challenging Approaches These Days

Sat Jun 22, 2002 1:04 pm

>>>"What I think sucks is the River Visual 19 at DCA. The river is pretty narrow and if you veer too far off, you're going to get an airspace violation."

Concur!

Other difficult ones I have flown:

--Night trap on the America in the North Atlantic
--Pohang Korea
--El Toro during peak traffic hours (right next to John Wayne).
--Roaring Fork visual in Aspen--quite scenic, fun, and adventurous--in a MU2.
--Tivat Yugoslavia.
 
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RE: Pilots: Most Challenging Approaches These Days

Sat Jun 22, 2002 1:05 pm

Perth International in summer when there is a strong easterly....ohhhh yeah baby!!!!!!...what a rush....
 
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RE: Pilots: Most Challenging Approaches These Days

Sat Jun 22, 2002 1:24 pm

I've landed a plane myself at Airlake Airport in Lakeville, Minnesota.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy I've landed in Airlake, Anoka County, and MSP. I'd say MSP was the easiest for some reason, got off the runway, to the GA parking, and was no where near the big jets so it was like being at a regular small airport, it was easy because the runway had a lot of feet in case I screwed up WHICH I DIDN'T!!! I'd have to say that was MY most challenging approach, Lakeville Airport, 10 PM, rain. I know that doesn't compare to the DCA approachs, etc, but hey, I'm a NEW pilot!

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RE: Pilots: Most Challenging Approaches These Days

Sat Jun 22, 2002 6:53 pm

VOR 13L/13R at JFK..... nothing hard about that approach. It's unusual but it certainly isn't hard to fly.

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RE: Pilots: Most Challenging Approaches These Days

Sun Jun 23, 2002 1:19 am

Geneve is one of the easiest-you get 18 mile approaches at times!

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