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American's 777

Wed Sep 29, 1999 5:59 am

Hello
Do you think that American will ever fly there 777 to Honolulu from SFO by next summer instead of the DC-10? I'm planning a trip and am using American to fly from SFO to HNL.

Jonathan
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RE: American's 777

Wed Sep 29, 1999 6:03 am

Go for United...at least you will have a chance at the Boeing 747, the mother of all planes!
 
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RE: American's 777

Wed Sep 29, 1999 6:11 am

Probably not - American has announced that they will be replacing DC-10s with 757s and 767 that are being downgraded to two-class. As for taking to United, getting to fly the 747 is not the best reason I can think of for doing so. Been there, done that (UA 744 HNL-SFO), and it was the most uncomfortable four hours of my life.
 
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RE: American's 777

Wed Sep 29, 1999 6:36 am

AA is still showing DC-10s on all Hawaii flights from DFW,ORD,SFO and 1 from LAX, as far as July, 2000 in Sabre....But that can change, will wait and see what they decide to use in the future, dont think its going to be a 777, I think were leaning towards the 767-300 in a 2 class layout. Also looking at maybe 757s to some of the other Hawaiian Islands from diffrent west coast cities.
 
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RE: American's 777

Wed Sep 29, 1999 7:18 am

American's 777's are really heavy (by design for long range flights) thus are probably not going to be implemented on such a "short" flight. A possible future addition to the American fleet which if added has been discussed on the Hawaii routes is the 757-300.
 
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RE: American's 777

Wed Sep 29, 1999 7:18 am

American's 777's are really heavy (by design for long range flights) thus are probably not going to be implemented on such a "short" flight. A possible future addition to the American fleet which if added has been discussed on the Hawaii routes is the 757-300.
 
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RE: American's 777

Wed Sep 29, 1999 7:26 am

This topic has also been raised with regard to United Airlines. I think people here said that United was replacing DC-10's with 767-300's, so my guess is American will probably do the same thing. How are United and American's situations different regarding putting 777's on Hawaii routes?
 
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Delta Shuttle

Wed Sep 29, 1999 7:29 am

United has a lower gross weight 777 fleet (they have higher gross weight 777's also) which could be ideal for the Hawaii run.
 
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RE: Delta Shuttle

Wed Sep 29, 1999 8:19 am

But UA will use their "Flagship" aircraft (the 777) to replace the other planes (mainly 767-300) on their international routes, freeing up 767-300's to convert to 2-class for HNL runs.

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RE: American's 777

Thu Sep 30, 1999 7:21 am

I think you are right. If American was planning on flying 777's to Hawaii, they would have ordered 777-200 NON-IGW like United has. If the whole 777 fleet will consist of 200-IGW that means that they plan to operate them on very long flights exclusively. The only exception is the daily roundtrip Dallas-Chicago, but that is just to reposition the aircraft at either Dallas or Chicago for flights to Japan and Europe. No I don't think that American is going to fly 777's to Hawaii, they have never talked about doing it. They will probalby replace the DC-10 with the 767-300ER. By the end of this year, American will have in its fleet 49 ETOPS rated 767-300ER's so I wouldn't be surprised to see them on more overwater flights. The DC-10 at American will soon be history.

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Flagship?

Thu Sep 30, 1999 10:56 pm

I believe that 747-400 is the "Flagship" of the United fleet.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
 
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RE: Flagship?

Fri Oct 01, 1999 9:59 am

Not any more.

The 777 is UA's pride and joy...it's [quite literally] their baby. One other reason it's the new flagship is because it is the most technologically advanced airliner in the skies.

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RE: Flagship?

Fri Oct 01, 1999 10:42 am

Not to change the subject, but I remember when the pride of Eastern was the L1011 and they said that was the most technologically advanced aircraft in the sky......oh the good ol' days.
 
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RE: 747 Our Flagship? Close, But No Cigar.

Fri Oct 01, 1999 11:47 am

I have to take issue with your statement. The 777 is, without a doubt, our flagship. It's the most advanced, farthest flying airliner in the world. Sure, the 747 has the unmistakeable silhouette, but passengers prefer the 777 3 to 1.
'Nuff said.

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RE: American's 777

Fri Oct 01, 1999 2:33 pm

god the thought of a 757 to Hawaii! I see that flight leave all the time from LAX
I'd much rather do the 767 or the DC-10, UA's 10s are still great inside and out. As for 777 service to Hawaii...I believe UA uses them from Chicago to Hawaii
 
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ORD-HNL Is A DC-10-30 (nt)

Sat Oct 02, 1999 8:06 am

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RE: American's 777

Sat Oct 02, 1999 8:17 am

UA ORD-HNL is a DC10-30...I've flown it many times.
 
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RE: American's 777

Sat Oct 02, 1999 9:33 am

Im sure that they will eventually, maybe along with an MD-11 flight...
 
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RE: American's 777

Sat Oct 02, 1999 9:41 am

FYI, one of the first routes planned for Delta's 764 is LAX-HNL. It will be replacing the L-1011s.
 
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Prefer 3-1

Sat Oct 02, 1999 1:18 pm

Where is the 3-1 info come from? Also what series 747? Also numbers and surveys can be construed to suite your own purposes.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
 
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RE: American's 777

Sat Oct 02, 1999 1:31 pm

Statistically it is inevitable that we will have a fatal problem with an ETOPS in the next couple years. There will then be a massive move on the part of pax demand to multi-engine 744's and A340's while the governments and the politicians rethink Etops regs particularly if it is an election year. It's all psychological! American and UA will find themselves with a large 777 fleet suitable for LAX-JFK and that's all! Nothing wrong with the Big Twins, except for the psychological impact.

Northwest 744's and Air Canada A340's will then rule! and Northwest will just refurbish its DC10-30's and 40's once again!

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To DC-10

Sat Oct 02, 1999 1:32 pm

Whats wrong with a 757 to Hawaii..Its a shorter flt LAX-HNL than BOS-HNL and most carriers fly that with a 757 and people see ok with it...
 
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RE: American's 777

Sat Oct 02, 1999 1:42 pm

Who flies BOS-HNL in a 757???

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