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Emirate To Expand The Very Huge Fleet.

Sun Jun 23, 2002 9:20 pm

I have a report from AFP coded the emirate spokesman said that the airline has approved 15 billion dollar to purchase new 22 A380s. And also order 37 B777s, 6 A345s, 8 A346s and 29 A330s. What a large fleet extension! What do you think?
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RE: Emirate To Expand The Very Huge Fleet.

Sun Jun 23, 2002 9:24 pm

Could you please post the report? The A346 should be the firming up of th eexisting LoI, the 6 A345 the confirmation of the existing options. The 37 B777s should be -200 and -300s, the A330s all -200s. The A380s mostly pax with a few freighters I guess.

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Here's The Report

Sun Jun 23, 2002 9:46 pm

DUBAI, June 23 (AFP) - Dubai's Emirates airline, already flying high on a 15-billion-dollar deal to buy dozens of aircraft, said Sunday it will likely order more planes to keep pace with the Gulf emirate's fast-moving development plans.
"The airline is going through a major re-planning process. We've not been ambitious enough ... to best serve the development plans of Dubai," group managing director Maurice Flanagan told journalists.
"We shall probably need more aircraft than that," Flanagan said in reference to the airline's record-breaking 15-billion-dollar order last November for 22 giant Airbus A380s and a clutch of other Airbus and Boeing planes.
Flanagan said Emirates will look at purchasing more long-range aircraft, but would not give any further details, saying the re-planning process will continue until September.
"Our problem is how to reconcile fast growth with quality of service and profitability," he said, adding that negotiations with aviation industry kingpins Airbus and Boeing were ongoing.
Emirates, the flag carrier for Dubai's ambition to become the Gulf's leading transport and tourist hub, currently operates a fleet of 39 aircraft, which is set to increase to 102 by the end of the decade.
The airline, which employs some 6,500 staff and has an unblemished safety record, unveiled orders in November for 22 of the yet unbuilt double-decker Airbus A380 aircraft and options for 10 more at a cost of seven billion dollars.
It also has on order 37 Boeing 777s, six A340-500s, eight A340-600s and 29 A330s with deliveries ongoing between now and 2010.
Since Dubai founded the airline in 1985 it has soared into the headlines as the Gulf city-state itself has taken off from a sweaty backwater to a glitzy tourist and business destination.
Emirates' expansion plans "are related to the development plans of Dubai. We're needed to serve those plans. We've had to question our growth and ask whether it'll be fast enough," Flanagan said.
"Emirates has a buoyant and very strong base for the future," he said, stressing that the "trough" suffered in the aftermath of last September's terror attacks on the United States had balanced out.
"Our European routes collapsed post-September 11 in the perception that Dubai was close to Afghanistan, but business came back between December and March and we finished the financial year (April 2001-March 2002) on target, that is, in profit," he said.
The airline in fact posted a 13.5 percent increase in net profits to 164 million dollars on the back of an 18.3 percent surge in passenger numbers to 6.8 million and a 19.5 percent rise in cargo tonnage to 400,569 tonnes.
The current year will be "rather better than that," Flanagan said.
Plans are also afoot to expand the airline's current network of 57 destinations in 40 countries.
"We hope to add New York, Chicago and Los Angeles next year. We will then expand to other points within the United States."
The airline will then start flights to Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo and Recife in Brazil as well as offering a non-stop flight to Buenos Aires "some distance into the future," according to Flanagan.
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RE: Emirate To Expand The Very Huge Fleet.

Sun Jun 23, 2002 9:59 pm

WoW!!!  Wow! I think this is great to hear as from Emirates. That is best airlines of Middle East by Emirates that is 11 years into the row. And I really hope so that if Emirates will be started new routes nonstop from DXB-JFK, ORD, LAX flight by Airbus aircraft, right?  Love And I am keeping guess that about want to be bigger A380 aircraft to US. You know about as something how is they were doing at the flight by Emirates And they were already join on the skymiles partners by Delta Air Lines and hopefully, if they are want be get a new codeshare with Emirates and Delta Air Lines too. OK? Well, see ya!!
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RE: Emirate To Expand The Very Huge Fleet.

Sun Jun 23, 2002 10:14 pm

It is interesting that Emirates plan to fly to Recife. I guess this will just be for holiday traffic.
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RE: Emirate To Expand The Very Huge Fleet.

Sun Jun 23, 2002 10:43 pm

Really ambitious, aren't they?  Big grin
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RE: Emirate To Expand The Very Huge Fleet.

Sun Jun 23, 2002 10:59 pm

Wow! These are exciting times at Emirates, good luck to them. They sound like a great airline. EK to Rio, LA and NYC sounds so exciting.  Smile

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RE: Emirate To Expand The Very Huge Fleet.

Sun Jun 23, 2002 11:03 pm

They have plenty of money from oil sales, so they are not bound by normal economics, as Western airlines are. If they do invest heavily now, maintain a high level of service and reliability, there is no reason why their investment should not pay off in the long run.

Just out of curiosity, do they welcome Jews, and conversely, do Jews fly with them? Or is it a "don't ask, don't tell" relationship?

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RE: Emirate To Expand The Very Huge Fleet.

Mon Jun 24, 2002 3:50 pm

Delta-flyer you seem to be very confident of the theory you just devised on Emirates operations and the economy of Dubai. What exactly do you mean they are not bound by "normal economics" as western airlines because they have plenty of oil money ........?
I wonder how much you know about Dubai...they are not infact a very oil dependant economy.Dubai's economy is perhaps more diversified than any place in the Gulf and other then the increasing amount of industry being set up there, it a major financial centre in the region and has a fast growing tourism industry.So that "Plenty" of oil sales term does not apply to Dubai as it can be to Kuwait,Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Abu Dhabi.Most of the petroleum that comes of the UAE is from Abu Dhabi, which is a different emirate.
Even if a state did have plenty of oil money how would that be any different then having plenty of money from any source???  Confused Would it be fair to say that an airline from a country with alot of money from the sale of lets say machinery,should easily perform well financially???Belgium has a GDP many times larger then Dubai and an airline named Sabena, most of which was STATE OWNED, went bankrupt!And Sabena was a world class airline in terms of service and reliabilty....dont even want to go into Swissair and the money Swtizerland makes from selling whatever....
Sir a dollar earned from selling oil doesnt take you any further then a dollar from selling cars,computers,chocolates or watches...i just do not understand your theory of saying that just because Dubai has plenty of oil money, which they do not, it will ensure Emirates' sucess any more then that of an airline belonging to some other prosperous state.Open up your mind and understand that an airline belonging,atleast in part, to a state is by no means guaranteed to get a pay off on its investments....and yes even if the money comes from oil!

As far as Jews travelling Emirates, im sure their policy is no different then what ELAL's is for Muslims.Some countries do not allow "citizens of Israel" entry but you can be Jewish and not be Israeli.I have a Jewish friend and his mother, citizen of Canada, travels quite frequently to Dubai.But im quite sure if even an Israeli citizen, let alone someone only Jewish,travels EK from lets say Singapore to Sydney it would be just fine.
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RE: Emirate To Expand The Very Huge Fleet.

Mon Jun 24, 2002 4:22 pm

Is this new planes or stuff already on order ?. I understood they already have 22 A380's on order ???
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RE: Emirate To Expand The Very Huge Fleet.

Mon Jun 24, 2002 4:44 pm


I think the UAE government has no problem with Jewish(religion) people, but they do with Israeli's entering the country. I remember reading an article in the Gulf news about the different religions in the UAE and Judaism was one of them.
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RE: Emirate To Expand The Very Huge Fleet.

Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:25 pm

Good Luck to them! I hope they don't go bankrupt because of overcapacity! (no offence to EK fans). As the famous quote says, "Airlines Never Go Bankrupt Operating Under Capacity"
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RE: Emirate To Expand The Very Huge Fleet.

Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:39 pm


well 9V-SVE made a point. Though i watch the developments of EK with great pleasure i hope they don't get oversized! I do know the success of the UAE quite well though the great potentials of DXB as a hub but such expansions plans are sort of too much for this part of the world. At the end of the day it doesn't count how many aeroplanes you have in your fleet, only money counts, this is what civil aviaiton is about.

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RE: Emirate To Expand The Very Huge Fleet.

Mon Jun 24, 2002 9:11 pm

KHI747 --- uhhh...I stand corrected. I assumed that Emirates was closely held by the Royal family of Dubai. I had incorrectly assumed that Emirates may be operated as a "hobby business", albeit on a large scale, for prestige, as many national airlines have prior to 1970.

After reviewing their financial reports (which, frankly, I was surprised to find on their web site) I realize they are profitable, so my comment about their not needing to be "economic" is wrong. Also, I was surprised to see that many of their investors are foreign, so that shoots down the oil money theory.

It is still not clear to me whether they are publicly traded company or closely-held, but their financial reporting appears to be at the standard required for public corporations.

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RE: Emirate To Expand The Very Huge Fleet.

Mon Jun 24, 2002 9:45 pm

I have lived in Dubai for 8 years now. The UAE has a big thing against Israelis and as sad as it is, it is almost an unmentionable place. When I was at school, the government used to erase the country out of the atlas's and globes we used in geography. They are not as strict about jewish people. One of my old PE teachers, a British woman, was jewish and she had no problems. However, she did not make a big deal about it and would not bring any jewish artifacts into the country just in case. I think its a very sad predudice. I dont think there would be any problem working for the airline as long as you dont make a big deal to the public that you are jewish, which you wouldnt anyway so you'd be fine.