wilcharl
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RJ-85 Life Jackets In First And Not Coach

Mon Jun 24, 2002 3:11 pm

On a Mesaba flight I was on today, I was flying in first and noticed there were life jackets for the first class seats and the cushions for coach. The safety card had a supplimental sheet explaining their use.

Here is the quesiton. After the titanic, i remember there was a maritime law that passenger safety equipment was required to be the same regardless of fare paid and this also applyed to aircraft.

Now I understand why the seat design in first requires a life jacket (the seat is huge) but, by offering life jackets to first pax wouldnt they have to also throw them in coach?
 
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RE: RJ-85 Life Jackets In First And Not Coach

Mon Jun 24, 2002 3:35 pm

Yet another reason to fly first class. Actually, I think that vests are only required if you fly more than 50 miles from shore. The requirement for rafts kicks in at 100 miles. The snobs in first class probably have the jackets because of the seat design. Just a hunch, Part 121 operators may have different requirements.
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RE: RJ-85 Life Jackets In First And Not Coach

Mon Jun 24, 2002 3:49 pm

I highly doubt that any respectable operator would try and get away with having no life vests when needed!
 
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RE: RJ-85 Life Jackets In First And Not Coach

Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:14 pm

The seat cushion in first class is not certified as a floatation device on the Mesaba/Pinnacle RJ-85s and hence the need for life jackets up front.
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RE: RJ-85 Life Jackets In First And Not Coach

Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:11 pm

The only thing required is that there are enough flotation devices (and rafts depending on aircraft mission profile) for all passengers and crew. I don't think it says anywhere that they should all be of the same design...
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RE: RJ-85 Life Jackets In First And Not Coach

Tue Jun 25, 2002 12:52 am

First, they are not Mesaba/Pinnacle RJ85s. They are only operated by Mesaba. Several months ago Mesaba was notified by the FAA or the seat manufacturer that the cushions weren't adequate flotation devices. My friend was an FO on the day the feds and XJ realized this... one cold morning in Montreal of all places. I was working that day and remember our chief pilot in MEM running around crazy to all the planes installing temporary briefing cards etc. What's very strange is that we don't go anywhere that would require the use of flotation devices. Maybe only one of the great lakes though...

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RE: RJ-85 Life Jackets In First And Not Coach

Tue Jun 25, 2002 2:36 am

50 miles from the shore?!?! That's very deep water!

It suprises me sometimes what airlines manage to get away with. Even if it wasn't going to fly over seas, it could still hit water. Infact going down in Lake Michigan is pretty much the same as ditching in the sea!

Weren't people's lives saved by the life jackets aboard the Air Florida B732 that went down into a river after take off from Washington? They weren't heading out to sea, but life jackets were still needed.

Disgusting.
 
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RE: RJ-85 Life Jackets In First And Not Coach

Tue Jun 25, 2002 3:08 am

Hey Azjub,

Do you fly the RJ for Mesaba? My friend Kari flies the RJ for them. Such a beauty of a plane.


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RE: RJ-85 Life Jackets In First And Not Coach

Tue Jun 25, 2002 3:14 am

Shes a F/O by the way.


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RE: RJ-85 Life Jackets In First And Not Coach

Tue Jun 25, 2002 3:33 am

AZ, do you fly the Avro for Mesaba?
 
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RE: RJ-85 Life Jackets In First And Not Coach

Tue Jun 25, 2002 7:40 am

Yes, I'm an FO for Mesaba on the Avro. I also know Kari... we went to school together. And yes, she is a beautiful plane!

Englandair - wht is your point? What is the airline getting away with? The coach seat cushions are floatable. Then it was realized that the first class ones weren't, therefore life jackets were added beneath the seats. Just complying with the FAA.

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RE: RJ-85 Life Jackets In First And Not Coach

Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:37 am

Hey Az,

The next time you see Kari, tell her Aaron says hi. Im one of her friends from San diego/old student.  Smile


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RE: RJ-85 Life Jackets In First And Not Coach

Tue Jun 25, 2002 10:59 pm

I'll do that for you Aaron. Take care.



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RE: RJ-85 Life Jackets In First And Not Coach

Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:55 pm

What's the likelihood that you will need a lifejacket on a Mesaba flight. You don't fly over the Atlantic. If something goes wrong in flight with the RJ where it can safely land somewhere, it should be able to land safely at the nearest airport and not have to ditch in Lake Michigan or Lake Erie which would be the only two reasonable size bodies of water that Mesaba RJ's fly over.
 
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RE: RJ-85 Life Jackets In First And Not Coach

Wed Jun 26, 2002 4:43 am

Thanks for doing that AZJ. I haven't talked to her in awhile.  Smile


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RE: RJ-85 Life Jackets In First And Not Coach

Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:24 am

Well... the great lakes are kinda big... (really big) rivers.... who can forget air florida palm 90 in the Potomic...