saxman66
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Jet Service At Non-Towered Airports

Tue Jun 25, 2002 1:01 am

Question:
I know there are quite a few airports with no control tower that many passenger turboprops fly into, but what about jets. Whats the biggest jet that you know of that flys into a non-controlled airport?

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RE: Jet Service At Non-Towered Airports

Tue Jun 25, 2002 1:08 am

Delta flies a 757 into SAV at 11:05 PM, long after the tower has closed. It happens a lot more often than you think.

Fields are only "controlled" when the tower is open, after it closes for the night it's the same as flying anywhere else without a tower.
 
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RE: Jet Service At Non-Towered Airports

Tue Jun 25, 2002 4:23 am

Sawyer International Airport (SAW) in Marquette, MI has a control tower, but it is inoprative, so they have no air traffic control, but they do get a daily RJ from American Eagle to ORD, if that counts.

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RE: Jet Service At Non-Towered Airports

Tue Jun 25, 2002 4:39 am

My local airport, N67, gets Citations into it quite frequently and we do not have a tower...many GA airports are uncontrolled/non-towered and receive jet powered a/c...this is more common than you may think...

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RE: Jet Service At Non-Towered Airports

Tue Jun 25, 2002 5:37 am

GD727, I was thinking of the same airport.

The tower was supposed to open earlier this year, but I'm not sure what their plans are now. As of about three weeks ago, the Mesaba guys knew nothing about it.
 
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RE: Jet Service At Non-Towered Airports

Tue Jun 25, 2002 5:39 am

How do they aircraft get landing clearance, etc. when the field is not controlled? Specifically the DL 757 to SAV.
 
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RE: Jet Service At Non-Towered Airports

Tue Jun 25, 2002 6:34 am

Approach controllers (regional in some cases) will clear the aircraft for a visual or instrument approach to the airport, and then advise them that "frequency change approved", where they will talk on the UNICOM, advising other traffic of their position (downwind, base, final, etc).
 
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RE: Jet Service At Non-Towered Airports

Tue Jun 25, 2002 6:49 am

They are cleared on the approach by Approach, if they are open, or Center, if approach is closed. After that, they are told something along the lines of "Frequency change to advisory approved, advise of your cancellation and down time this frequency, good day.". At my airport, the aircraft would then switch to "Tower" frequency, but it's now CTAF, as tower closes at 10 PM. The aircraft would say something like "Tri-cities area traffic, Delta 1172 (that flight actually arrives around 12 PM) 10 miles to the North East on the ILS runway 21 right, any traffic in the area please advise". The same thing happens 5 miles out, 2 miles out, and on "final". Then, the aircraft goes back to Center's frequency and reports that he has landed in Pasco, thus Center closes his flight plan. These are general uncontrolled field procedures.
 
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RE: Jet Service At Non-Towered Airports

Tue Jun 25, 2002 6:54 am



I see business jets at Iowa City Municipal every now and then.
 
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RE: Jet Service At Non-Towered Airports

Tue Jun 25, 2002 7:36 am

Vail-Eagle County, CO (EGE) They have no tower, and no radar. In the summer, its a rather sleepy GA airport. During the winter months, it is hopping. Upwards of 10-15 757's, plus so 146's will fly in there on peak days from the majors, not to mention all of the GA traffic. Being in a mountain valley, with no tower, and no radar, only one aircraft at a time on approach or departure is allowed below radar from the Denver control center. Aircraft fall below radar around 14,000-15,000 ft, and the airport sits around 6,000 ft. So, when an aircraft takes off, another aircraft isn't allowed to takeoff or descend below radar until the previous aircraft has radar contact. Usually, the airline traffic gets priority, but there can be quite a back-up of GA traffic. The departure interval of aircraft is anywhere between 5-10 minutes each.
 
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RE: Jet Service At Non-Towered Airports

Tue Jun 25, 2002 8:22 am

Here at Havasu Municipal (HII), the largest jetliner I've seen was a DC-9 on a charter flight. There's no ATC tower here, so every intention is broadcast on open frequency. After dark, the airfield is pretty much shut down. Regards.
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RE: Jet Service At Non-Towered Airports

Tue Jun 25, 2002 1:39 pm

So what are some very busy non-towered airports? I flew into St. Cloud once and the traffic there was horrible. There must have been 6 or 7 of us in the pattern not to mention Mesaba on its way. It kinda made me nervous landing there with all that traffic.
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