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America West: New Partners?

Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:25 pm

I was reading the Washington Post today, and came across an article about America West, and how the loan from the government is working well for it, now that all their furloughed employees are being offered jobs, the expansion of service (RDU is specifically mentioned) and how employee morale is much higher. At the end of the article, it mentions the upcoming pilot labour talks, as well as partners. America West says that "It is seeking a partner to replace Continental and also needs a major international partner to supplement its much smaller alliances with Northwest Airlines and British Airways".

The above line has me wondering who will AmWest's next partner will be. We can take Continental off the line, leaving UA, AA, DL, NW, and US. However, given UA's strength on the West Coast and American having a decent sized operation out there, I would doubt it would be either one of those two. US Airways is most likely going to link up with United, giving them the Southwesterly access. This leaves Delta and Northwest, with their international partners from SkyTeam (AF, Aeromexico, et al) and KLM, respectively. I know that Northwest already has a minor agreement (see above) with AmWest, but will the government let it go ahead with major nation-wide code-sharing deals with Continental and AmWest? Delta would have no such restriction in place. Also, Delta has the superior international network due to SkyTeam (yes, I know NW/KL kill SkyTeam in Asia, but they have hardly any representation in Latin America). I also would see no major obstacles leading to AmWest joining SkyTeam, as the only overlap on the routes that I can see are CMH-MCO, SLC-PHX, SLC-LAS, LAS-LAX, SAN-PHX, ATL-PHX, and ATL-LAS. For these reasons (I am a little biased), who do you think AmWest will team up with?


RE: America West: New Partners?

Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:42 pm

There is a very good chance that it will be AAI. They have similar fare structures, lower mileage requirements for free tickets, etc. It will provide Amwest with plenty of feed in the east coast and would give AirTran some name recognition out west for when they eventually go out there(Rumor mills are running wild saying that FL is getting 738s).

I couldn't think of an international partner off the top of my head that doesn't do the same job as NW or BA. The closest I could see would be code-sharing with Hawaiian on the new PHX-HNL route.
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RE: America West: New Partners?

Wed Jun 26, 2002 12:08 am

I agree with Lowfareair, AirTran would probably be the best airline with which America West could initiate a codeshare pact. Due to America West's revised fare structure, all the nation's largest carriers have ganged-up on America West, reducing fares to below money-making levels on many flights from AmWest's hubs in Phoenix, Las Vegas and Columbus. America West is now more like Southwest in terms of pricing; they continue to maintain most of the frills of other major carriers, such as providing first class and airport clubs.
A codeshare agreement between America West and AirTran would work well for the reasons described by Lowfareair. There is virtually no overlap in routes, and it would introduce AirTran to the west coast, and give America West the east coast presence it has long wanted. In addition, both carriers have agreements with British Airways. An America West/AirTran partnership could lead to a more comprehensive agreement with BA.

RE: America West: New Partners?

Wed Jun 26, 2002 12:53 am

The only question would be if AmWest elites could u/g for free on FL. I wonder if AAI/AWA would open up a club in ATL?
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RE: America West: New Partners?

Wed Jun 26, 2002 12:55 am

Rumor mills are running wild saying that FL is getting 738s

Rumor mills about AirTran have run wild about every possible rumor and some impossible ones too. Sometimes I wonder where the people at that airline find the time to work - they are so obsessed with the rumor mill!
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RE: America West: New Partners?

Wed Jun 26, 2002 2:33 am

From what I hear, Many people are interlining with HP and HA through ONT. Same goes with Frontier. This will bring (hopefully) more market share to ONT, and thusly more flights, pax, and bigger a/c.
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RE: America West: New Partners?

Wed Jun 26, 2002 4:03 am

B747-437B: There seems to be some kind of truth to this rumor. Hearing it from several FL employees, guy on CBS Marketwatch said he heard it from a Boeing employee, and it is all about the Boeing 737-800. There isn't much variation between the different groups(i.e. one says 738, one says 713, one says A321).
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RE: America West: New Partners?

Wed Jun 26, 2002 4:31 am

America West needs a major partner, they do not need an airtran type. America West has a limited network, and really needs one of the top 5 or 6, although I cannot see any of that group joining them.

Most of the majors turned their back on America West over their fare policy.


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