qantas777
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Dirty Air France Jets!

Wed Jun 26, 2002 4:52 am

Why are AF planes so dirty? I know they have a white base but I do not see Air Canada, for example, so dirty.

 
Cessnapimp
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:16 am

Because they don't wash them...

...seriously though I have noticed that too. Windows and cargo doors with filthy runoffs, I guess nobody seems to mind down there.  Laugh out loud
 
godbless
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:27 am

I guess they care as much for their planes as the French care about their cars  Big thumbs up
I have been to France quite often by now and all the time I have noticed that many (not all!) don't care about their vehicle too much. I mean it's just an object... Big grin
 
Sabena332
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:28 am

I have notice that too, they are very dirty but what I saw in April this year is much better. I have flown to CDG with F-GJNX, at DUS during boarding I saw that the paint was peeling off the plane!

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But I must say that the service onboard AF plane is perfect, even if they do not look like that.

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Ndebele
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:40 am

THIS is a dirty Air France jet:

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:D Big grin

Joking apart, spend a saturday afternoon at any German airport, you will see LH staff washing their aircraft. - The Germans wash their cars every saturday, too - but they usually do this on saturday morning.
AF staff obviously knows something better to do with their time on a boring saturday afternoon..
 
bobcat
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:44 am

As my old French teacher said 20 years ago: "the French invented perfume so they wouldn't have to take showers"

I guess the same can be said about Air France's planes.
However, I must say the interior is quite clean.(at least
on a recent flight in business class JFK-CDG)

On the other hand, my car is hand-washed daily. My company has a contract with the local car wash for unlimited washes and I use this perk to the fullest extent.
The rust will probably appear sooner than other dirty, unwashed cars, but since my cars are alwasy leased, I don't really worry about it...  Smile
 
Sabena332
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Wed Jun 26, 2002 5:50 am

My company has a contract with the local car wash for unlimited washes and I use this perk to the fullest extent.

I wish I would have this service too.

Take a look at my car and you will be shocked, empty cigarette packs, empty coke cans, empty Mc Donald`s boxes....... Big grin

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AFa340-300E
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Wed Jun 26, 2002 6:03 am

Bobcat, I don't know why Americans have that strange cliché about the French... I'm sure the French take at least as many showers as Americans!
Isn't that not too much to wash your car everyday? That's time-consuming, and not really environment friendly.

Ndebele In Germany, if you go to your workplace with a small car, than you're a "small guy". In France, that's not the case. So washing the car every week is not common in France (but in Alsace) for cultural reasons.


But let's get back to aviation; contrary to what one may think, Air France washes its airplanes quite often. Anytime a B or C check is performed, the airplane has good chances of being washed again for instance. But the thing is the airplanes are flying most of the time, and they get dirty very very quickly. So it's quite difficult to keep the fleet perfectly clean as the Asians do for instance. But it's true, that's still a point they need to improve...



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sleekjet
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Wed Jun 26, 2002 6:10 am

I know the matter of livery likes and dislikes is subjective, but the filthy, paint-peeling Air France problem points to why I love the AA livery. Shining silver reflecting images of clouds and wings and other aircraft, gleaming cleanly in the pure sunlight.


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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Wed Jun 26, 2002 6:16 am

Funny this came up today. Yesterday I was in ZRH and an AF735 pulled out from next to us and as I was watching it I noticed how dirty it was.
 
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Wed Jun 26, 2002 6:50 am

To elaborate on this topic a little bit, why is it that aircraft paint chunks and peels away? Is it a result of objects hitting the fuselage? Corrosion... adhesive deterioration?

And while we're at it, what causes the dirty runoffs from the door crevises? Is it some sort of spilled liquid?
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qantas777
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Thu Jun 27, 2002 12:41 am

I think it's time for a new colour scheme. It dirty and boring as it is.
 
cfm-56
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Thu Jun 27, 2002 1:01 am

AF should take better care of their airplanes I agree about that, but all airlines have dirty airplanes more or less..but nothing beats a clean one no matter what the livery...The jetways cause the dirty "frame" around the exits or actually around door L1 as this usually is the "main exit".

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AOMlover
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Thu Jun 27, 2002 1:24 am

"Take a look in the A.net library, you'll see thousands of clean and shiny AF planes and only few dirty ones"
About the livery, this livery is a classic. Not very original, I admit, but I love the tail and the livery doesn't really need to be changed.
Lots of people still find this livery gorgeous. This livery was made to last and it will last.
About the "clichés", it's true that many people thing we never have showers, women don't shave, etc... that's wrong (we're not animals  Wink/being sarcastic )
And it's true that here lots of cars are dirty. Cars are not as important for French as it may be for English or German people. We don't "love" our cars (of course it depends on what car it is  Wink/being sarcastic ).
 
afboy
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Thu Jun 27, 2002 1:59 am

Last saturday, I flew AF Montpellier-Orly and back from CDG.
I noticed while boarding the 319 and the 735 that they were very clean and shiny outside.
BTW,do airline use environment-friendly or unfriendly detergent to wash their aeroplanes?

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Jumbolino
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Thu Jun 27, 2002 4:13 am

Hi guys !

Please, I live in switzerland (naturally from Austria) and lived a time in Germany, but I (nearly) never wash my car (only a few times my garage couldn't see this and washed it ...) be my friend it's only a car ... and inside cigarette boxes (filled and empty, handcarechiefs ...... and many other waste ... funny sometimes people tell me that's a car not a dustbin ...).
But I like cars itself as I like planes (planes more than cars - ok) --> but it's not really necessary to wash it each saturday ...

Ciao Ju

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Ndebele
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Thu Jun 27, 2002 4:29 am

Well maybe it's not the same everywhere in Germany. Where exactly did you live, somewhere in Nordrhein-Westfalen if memory serves right. Don't feel guilty if you didn't wash your car that often. It's more or less tradition in the part of Germany where I live (Schwaben). Every saturday morning, you do the "Kehrwoche" which means you sweep both the stairwell and the pavement in front of your house, then you mow the lawn and wash your car. Oh yes, and in case that there's still some time before lunch, you go for a walk through your neighbourhood to check if everybody else has done their "Kehrwoche" properly. Some elderly fellow citizens also watch out if the cars are parked properly, but I usually don't do that - I won't start doing so before I'm 30 years old  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

ps: I was just joking. It was a dramatization - but in principle it's true.
 
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Thu Jun 27, 2002 4:43 am

I saw this AF 747-400 (F-GISA) in ATL last year and it was rather dirty. If the wing looked like this, then you can imagine how the rest of the a/c looked.


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I've seen it at JFK and it was much cleaner. Does AF use their a/c that much that they don't have time to spray them down? Soemthing to think about.
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AOMlover
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Thu Jun 27, 2002 4:51 am

I don't know, but I'm sure that those planes are not dirty because of a lack of money.
There's a good point though: dirty planes pictures are more interesting than clean a/c shots lol  Wink/being sarcastic

I agree that AF should clean their plane more often, as the aircraft is often the first French thing that foreigners see when they travel to France. And if they board in a dirty plane, their travel is not beginning in a good way...
 
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Thu Jun 27, 2002 5:10 am

I think there are plenty of airlines not "cleaning" them very often. Swissair used not to wash them until they will get their new Swiss livery. It was looking ugly...

But this problem is mostly during Winter time and when it is rainy. During dry weather it doesn't happen that often...
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dreamexpress
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Thu Jun 27, 2002 5:39 am

supose its like looking at cars... would you get in the dirty Ford Fiesta or the shiney Fiesta Ghia... Makes an impression. I would'nt want my holiday to start with a filthy plane.
 
Sabena332
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Thu Jun 27, 2002 5:42 am

Ndebele,

here in the Ruhrgebiet they do also wash their cars on Saturdays but they do it in the afternoon because they can listen to the soccer radio conference. Big grin

Patrick
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N79969
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Thu Jun 27, 2002 5:51 am

I think a little dirt or oil on the fuselage just adds character to the planes. I don't mind it.
 
zebfly2
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Thu Jun 27, 2002 12:45 pm

I bet you won't see a dirty Concorde from AF.
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BaliMorris
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Thu Jun 27, 2002 2:46 pm

I think this is probably the worst one I've seen. I'm very surprised they let them fly passengers in this condition. It gives such a poor image of the company. It's kind of like showing up to work in a shirt with pit stains. Actually come to think of it, I had a teacher in high school who only seemed to own shirts with brown-ish stains under the arm pits. A French teacher, no less! Not that I'm implying anything about French people or anything.


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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Thu Jun 27, 2002 3:57 pm

 
rlwynn
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RE: Dirty Air France Jets!

Thu Jun 27, 2002 4:31 pm

Thai has the most dirty planes regularly that I have ever seen.
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