KL808
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Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Thu Jun 27, 2002 11:52 am

Hey I was wondering why only NWA fly to Manila nowadays. I remembered back in the early 90's United and Continental use to fly there. By the way Continental Micronesia fly's to Manila. But im still wondering why UA dropped its US-Narita-Manila service. NW always fills up its US-Narita-Manila service.

Just thinking about this on alliance stand point, Wings gets there by NW, One World gets there with CX, SKY gets there with KE, but how about STAR, how does it get there from the US. hmmm, thats not good youll have to fly to SIN, or BKK, before getting there, but probably now they have OZ.

It would be nice to see UA back to MNL, and maybe DL and AA start new service there. for AA a LAX/SFO-HNL-MNL would be great or maybe a direct LAX/SFO-MNL.

well what do you guys think

BTW UPS and Fed Ex also serve MNL.

drew
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Thu Jun 27, 2002 11:59 am

>>>"BTW UPS and Fed Ex also serve MNL."

Nope. UPS hubs at Clark. FedEX at Subic.

Angeles City (Fields Ave) rocks, but it couldn't hold a candle to Olongapo in the good old days--but I digress.

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Won't be any demand for CONUS--MNL flights unless the economy continues to improve. Especially with PAL in better financial conditions, it won't make too much sense at this time to compete with the national carrier. Most of the PAX in and out of MNL are filippino and are very loyal to their flag carrier.

BTW, have you ever tried to get to Guam from the west coast? There are no non-stop flights. As I recall, you go through HNL.
 
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Thu Jun 27, 2002 12:04 pm

The Philippine economy is bad, so there is not much business traffic there. The yield is low as the market is primarily VFR.

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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Thu Jun 27, 2002 12:04 pm

FedEx hubs in SFS but we do have several flights/day into MNL as well.
 
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Thu Jun 27, 2002 1:45 pm

Manilla- Narita?

I know Northwest does a MNL-NGO (Nagoya)-DTW daily flight, but wasnt aware of also one between Tokyo and Manilla
 
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Thu Jun 27, 2002 1:49 pm

NW Fl#72 MNL-DTW (via NGO) 744 every day
NW Fl#28 MNL-NRT 744 every day
 
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Thu Jun 27, 2002 2:21 pm

As you said so yourself, Continental Micronesia flies to Manila. That makes two US carriers flying to Manila. Yields are not that great, but I'm sure Northwest enjoys the profits, because they have 5th freedom for Nagoya and Narita, and they are the only US carrier there. Others would have a harder time finding succsess. And how about the fact that, somebody correct me if I am wrong, there are no flights between Manila and London?
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 2:01 pm

What does VFR operations have to do with it?

Anyhow, United doesn't serve MNL because it would fill up with non-revs. There are a lot of Filipinos at United, espeically at SFO and LAX, and to a lesser extent, ORD, and Filipinos are known for going home very often.

I know I would non-rev on that flight in an instant, if not for my seniority being destroyed by the horde of other employees who would surely go every single day!
 
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 12:21 am

With Star Alliance you can get there from the US via KIX transferring to TG.
 
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 12:32 am

The large military population at Clark and Subic are now gone as well. That cannot help.
 
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 2:00 am


VFR in this case stands for Visting Friends & Relatives not clear air
conditions or visual flight rules.....
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 3:02 am

Star has services to Manila with All Nippon don't they? Or am I wrong?
 
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 8:34 am

All nippon doesnt fly to MNL. as for flights from MNL-LHR/LGW doesnt exist any more. PAL dropped LGW flights when it was hit by the strike a couple of years back. so you can get there though with either KL, GF, EK, TG, SQ, CX, AF or almost any other carrier that flies to MNL.

btw thanks for all the response

drew
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Sun Jun 30, 2002 6:40 am

Is it just me, or is Deltawolfs comments ridiculous and idiotic?

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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Sun Jun 30, 2002 8:21 am

You're right! UAL flying to MNL would be nice (either via NRT, HKG or SIN). But currently the only Star Alliance airlines that fly to MNL are Thai and Singapore Airlines. And the only "direct" flights to MNL from US mainland are PAL's flights from LAX and YVR. The LAX route stops at HNL for a service stop however. And the NW flights from NRT are always full and are usually passnegers coming from the midwest, as opposed to the PAL flights who are mainly composed of passengers coming from the West coast.

As far as AA starting the LAX-HNL-MNL route, I think most Filipinos woudl still fly PAL on the exact same route based on loyalty alone. Also there is no way that AA could compete with PAL fares on that route. Incidentally, the farthest a dedicated AA flyer can fly to would be NRT and then switch over to another airline to MNL.
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Sun Jun 30, 2002 11:15 am

DL to MNL eventually? DL has not been the most sucessful US carrier in Asia.....So that's a LONG way down the road.....

Ditto an earlier point: CO Micronesia is part of CO to the best of my knowledge (afterall they thought of selling it in the early 90's during the days of desperation, they can't sell something that's not theirs) and CO is a US carrier as well.....
 
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Sun Jun 30, 2002 11:44 am

Trickijedi says:
And the NW flights from NRT are always full...

Funny you should mention that. I dropped off a friend who was taking the NW flight from JFK-NRT. It seemed that 90+% of those waiting for that flight were Filipino.
 
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Sun Jun 30, 2002 12:11 pm

I do miss those UA flights to MNL from NRT. I flew on that route back in 94 when I was 5 and which guided the way for me to the world of airlines and airliners. Back to topic I would think it would be good that some other US carriers would do flights to MNL and give me more variety of airlines to chose to fly to MNL.
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Mon Jul 01, 2002 3:51 am

Rai,
Hehe. I beleive you on that statement! I seriously think that most Filipinos believe that there are only two ways to get to the Philippines - via PAL or NW. Big grin And if their home airport isn't served by PAL, they are automatically programmed to fly NW. I used to fly NW from ORD-NRT-MNL and everytime I fly that route close to 90% of the passengers are usually Filipino. I, personally, try to avoid that route now. I'll take United every chance I get to fly to Asia.
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Mon Jul 01, 2002 10:23 am

And the only "direct" flights to MNL from US mainland are PAL's flights from LAX and YVR. The LAX route stops at HNL for a service stop however.

They don't fly from SFO anymore? They have to stop for service at HNL now? Why is that? I flew on PAL back in 1997, and I flew non-stop SFO-MNL on a 744. I then flew back MNL-LAX non-stop on a 744. Didn't they use to fly out of Washington? I was just curious about that.
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Mon Jul 01, 2002 10:24 am

PAL flies MNL-GUM, MNL-LAX-HNL-MNL, and MNL-YVR-SFO.
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Mon Jul 01, 2002 1:36 pm

Planelover,
Actually, PAL's other US mainland "direct" flight to MNL is SFO-MNL but it also has the technical stop in HNL. So the total would make it LAX, SFO and YVR. The SFO-MNL flight used to be a true direct flight without the stop in HNL but now they have added the technical stop there to refuel for the long flight back home. I think there used to be weight restrictions back then whereas now they try to pack up the plane as full as possible. As far as PAL flying to Washington DC in the past, I am not sure about that. But I know they used to serve ORD.
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Mon Jul 01, 2002 1:45 pm

Doesn't NW still fly MNL-KIX. At one time there were 3 NW flights a day from MNL everyday. 7am-NGO, 8:20am-NRT, 9:30am-KIX. UA left MNL because they couldn't compete with PR fares and there were very few fare paying PAX in the front.
 
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Mon Jul 01, 2002 1:46 pm

PAL also used to serve JFK, but by codeshare with TWA. I asked an NWA gate agent once about the flight to NRT. She told me that the flight is always jammed packed everyday and almost all of the passengers are Filipino. I didn't think New York had such a large Filipino community?
 
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Mon Jul 01, 2002 1:58 pm

I forgot to mention that PR did fly to ORD. They had 747's that stopped in LAX, HNL, SFO depending on which day of the week. This was in the 80's. They also had a leased MD-11 from World that flew EWR-YVR-MNL with a sometimes fuel stop at ANC in the 90's. PR never had scheduled flights to JFK or IAD with their own planes.
 
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Mon Jul 01, 2002 10:07 pm

The Phillipines is still classified as a war risk area. Flights may be limited due the stringent (and prohibitely expensive) insurance costs. I know this is true in the shipping industry. Due to American interests in the area, I believe the US subsidizes some of these costs. Possibly NW is the carrier they chose to subsidize insurance....
 
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RE: Why Only 1 US Carrier To Mnl?

Tue Jul 02, 2002 1:10 am

I also wish that UA could return to Manila!...I remember flying UA from SFO via Seoul on UA 808...as far as I remember though, United operated flights via Seoul and not Narita...I remember that UA used to operate DC-10s normally but switch to a 747-100 or a 747-400 during Christmas time when the loads were higher...I used to fly that route very often...and the flights were always jammed packed...so it came as a surprise when they stopped flying to Manila.

TG and SQ are not the only star alliance members that fly into Manila...LH also does and OZ will soon become one...

I think routes from the US to Manila are always so full that it would be profitable for another airline to operate to Manila namely AA or DL. Though Filipinos are loyal to PR, they wouldnt skip travelling to Manila for Christmas just they couldnt get a seat on PR when there are seats available on other carriers to Manila.

Always a really nice touch...arriving in Manila after six months of college during christmas time and the Filipina UA Flight attendants saying "Maligayang Pasko" at the door...miss those UA days to MNL!
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