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Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 9:48 am

Hi

Does anyone know the answer to this question?
 
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 9:51 am

With 20 passengers and zero cargo it may go close. But the real test to a commercial Jet Liner is how far can it fly with a full load and passengers and performance from very hot and high altitude airports.Thats the real test.
 
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 9:55 am

With regard to your question Airliners have a greater range flying in an Easterly direction (Australia to LHR) Westbound which is against the general weather pattern the range for any particular aircraft is not as great.

 
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 10:43 am

Boeing767-300 is half right, eastward flights do indeed tend to pick up a tailwind, but Australia to LHR is westbound, which would take longer than an LHR-originating flight.

My understanding is that the A380 will have about the same range as the 747-400, 777, A340. Put another way, it's competitive but doesn't really exceed the capabilities of these aircraft. LHR-SIN, JFK-NRT, LAX-HKG etc. Forget non-stops from the UK to Sydney.

PS A QF 747-400 flew non-stop from LHR to SYD but it was empty and was even towed out to the runway threshold rather than use any fuel taxiing. Never the less they arrived over Sydney with plenty of reserves. Didn't Airbus do the same with an A340 from Toulouse to Auckland?
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 10:47 am

Supposedly the longer range version of the A380 can make it to PER. You'd have to check toe airbus site to verify.
 
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 11:04 am

The answer is simply no. It can't even fly from LHR to LAX. Think about it for a moment.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 11:43 am

The design range of the A380-800 with the standard 555-pax load is 8,000 nautical miles in still air. That would make the plane at least capable of flying SFO-HKG non-stop year-round, something SQ wants given that SQ has definitely said they would use the A388 on the SQ 002 (SIN-HKG-SFO) and SQ 001 (SFO-HKG-SIN) routes.
 
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 6:19 pm

It can definately fly LHR to LAX direct - it just can't get off the runway  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 8:34 pm

Why can't it fly from LHR to LAX?
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 11:02 pm

Cedarjet - Because LAX needs nearly extensive modifications before the taxiways or gates can handle it (something like $750 million or thereabouts).

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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 2:40 am

Check out the A380 data at Airbus website. There quite some interesting [technical] info on the A380. Take a look at the A380 Briefing documents [PDF-downloadable].

Payload-Range [A380-800, standard version] looks like this:
@ 84 [metric] tons payload: 6200 nm
@ 555 pax [each @ 95kg = 210lb]: 8000 nm
@ nil payload: 9700 nm.

Don't know what the exact distance is between LHR and Ozzie. However, the same document from Airbus website shows that the range cirkel from LHR overlaps the nort western coast line of Australia.
From JFK it can do South Africa, Narita, Hong Kong...

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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 2:47 am

Sorry, but what is "Oz"? Ozeania? There is no country with this registration.
 
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 3:12 am


ZRH, it's OZtralia.....oops Australia.

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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 3:22 am

Wasn't Oz that place where the girl from Kansas went to way back when? You know that technicolour-looking place with badly-drawn backgrounds, floating heads, talking lions who may be "in the closet", some metal guy, and that straw man. Oh wait there was that nut-job woman on the broom, a bunch of flying monkeys, that woman who floats around in a pink bubble, oh and the little green people too (not the Irish). why would anyone ever want to go to this nutty Oz place? after all, there's no place like home.
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 5:44 am

An average of 95kgs a passenger?Sheesh lol
 
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 6:38 am

What the hell's wrong with those nutters at LAX? The A380 carries only 10% more pax than a 747, and fits into the same area (80x80). And it's going to cost them nearly a billion dollars to accomodate the A380?! Get real! Is this estimate from the same people who do the accounts for Enron, Xerox and Worldcom? What if a charter 747 turns up with all Y configuration? That's 500 pax.
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 7:57 am

Cedarjet, you forget, that plane weighs almost 1,300,000 lbs fully loaded. Considering the weight limit of a 747SP is 710,000 lbs, one must wonder if the runway can accomodate the weight of an A380. Plus the longest LAX runway is 12091 feet, not sure if this is long enough for the A380.
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 8:17 am

Brons2 says:
Plus the longest LAX runway is 12091 feet, not sure if this is long enough for the A380.

Most runways in the U.S. and Europe (including LHR) are shorter than 12000 feet. If the A380 needed that much runway space, then JFK, DEN and ORD could accomodate as they have (or will have in DEN's case) runways of 13,000 feet or longer. Supposedly, the A380 will use less runway for takeoffs than a 744. The issue at LAX is with the taxiways not being spaced wide enough to handle the plane.
 
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 10:54 am

If LAX is not A380-compatible, then heck QF will be in trouble!
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 10:58 am

It can't fly ANYWHERE.

the damn thing doesn't even exist yet.
 
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 10:59 am

MattD appears to be the only one that thought about it.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 11:03 am

The needle in the haystack has been found. Thanks matt d.  Smile


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RE: Can The A380 Fly Non-stop To LHR From Oz?

Sun Jun 30, 2002 12:47 am

Cedarjet
The Problem with LAX is not really that it will cost them a billion dollars to make it A380 compatible. The real problem is that it will cost them a billion dollars to make it really 747 compatible. LAX can and does handle multiple 747's, however they have great limitation in simultaneous 747 operations, because taxi-taxiway-runway separation is insufficient for multiple simultaneous 747 operations. Space between the terminals and taxiways is insufficient, so 747s have to powerless taxi-in and push back procedures, wasting lot of time and efficiency. When a 747 is on a taxiway, the parallel taxiway is basically blocked for widebody traffic due to insufficient clearance. So 747 operations at LAX s really inefficient from an airside perspective. I have no idea about the terminals though.

The problem is that anti A380 people are now using the billion dollar modification cost at LAX, to show the it [the A380] will fail because most airports wouldn't be able to cope. Off course this is complete bullocks. The problem at LAX is that airfield remodelling is already long overdue, and is badly needed to cope with the growing numbers of todays wide bodies. Extra cost to accept the A380 beyond the remodelling cost is quite limited.
The reality is that the A380 will have the same wheel loading as a 744, its span is comparable to the proposed 747-500, its length is shorter than a 773, and a A380 brings in the same number as two 777s arriving simultaneously.
If the 744 is able to operate at LAX [which it obviously is, with some airfield capacity limitations], then there should be no problem for the A380 at most of the worlds larger airports [maybe except LAX].


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