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2 Captains, 1 Plane: Is This Frequent?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 2:14 pm

Hi everyone, On January 26, I flew flt. 650 from GPT-ATL. On that flight, there were 2 four striped pilots (meaning they were both captains). Is this frequent? I double checked when I deplaned, and I saw the Left Seat dude with 4 stripes, and the right seat dude with 4 stripes. What gives?
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NZ767
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RE: 2 Captains, 1 Plane: Is This Frequent?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 2:18 pm

Quite common.
Could be just the way it's been rostered or more likely, one of them is a Check Captain checking up on the other guy.  Smile
 
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RE: 2 Captains, 1 Plane: Is This Frequent?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 2:21 pm

NZ767 is quite correct; when a captain is being checked out - either as part of a regular line check, or when he/she is converting to a new aircraft, there will be a captain in the right seat.

I've had three occasions where this has happened - on a BD 733, an RG M11 and a CO 764, last year.
 
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RE: 2 Captains, 1 Plane: Is This Frequent?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 2:27 pm

Thanks. I thought this was weird. So, Capt. Harry, Must have just transferred from the DC-9 to the 717. Wow, That kind of makes me feel special that my captain was a new captain.. Cool!!!!!
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RE: 2 Captains, 1 Plane: Is This Frequent?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 2:31 pm

Upgrading captains complete 25 hours of IOE (Initial Operating Experience) with a check airman (who is also a captain).
Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
 
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RE: 2 Captains, 1 Plane: Is This Frequent?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 2:35 pm

I was watching a show on an American Airlines 777 and it was the guys final landing. He wasin the left and another caption in the right. He was not being checked, If thwere is two captions on a flight, can they both do the landing, or is it normally a CAPt and a FO?
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RE: 2 Captains, 1 Plane: Is This Frequent?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:21 pm

I know that sometimes two guys who are captains may end up flying together.. becasue that is how the roster has em.. but in every flight one person is the designated captain and is in charge of the flight.. even though both are certified and striped as captains
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RE: 2 Captains, 1 Plane: Is This Frequent?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 4:41 pm

Yea, and on long hauls there is a second captain (a relief pilot), and I believe the 1st officer has to be type-rated in the aircraft as well.
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RE: 2 Captains, 1 Plane: Is This Frequent?

Fri Jun 28, 2002 9:33 pm

It is not uncommon at all. Probably it was just some type of training. Initial operating experience or an annual line check. Additionally the right seat guy may just be a training department Captain out for a trip. Depending on senority they will sometimes fly copilot. And Training Captains (we call them Line Check Airman) also will accompany a Capatin into a difficult airport by way of introduction. Mexico City is one example.
 
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RE: 2 Captains, 1 Plane: Is This Frequent?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 1:49 am

It is also not uncommon when a new aircraft type enters the fleet. When AirTran first started flying the 717, the flight crews were both Captains. After a few months, the first of the 717 F.O.s started to replace those Captains that were seated in the right seat. I believe Frontier is doing the same thing with the A319s. It does make sense, because wouldn't you rather have your Captain having more flight hours on a new aircraft type than the First Officer?
 
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RE: 2 Captains, 1 Plane: Is This Frequent?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 6:44 pm

Does anybody knows what training it takes to be the relief captain?
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RE: 2 Captains, 1 Plane: Is This Frequent?

Sat Jun 29, 2002 10:55 pm

Or, more likely, it is because lots of F/Os have been laid off and captians have been demoted to F/O but still wear the same uniform.
 
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RE: 2 Captains, 1 Plane: Is This Frequent?

Sun Jun 30, 2002 12:26 am

Jettblasterp. That very well could be. I will guess from all of these which one it was, but the dude in the right seat was pretty old, while the dude in the left seat was pretty young.
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RE: 2 Captains, 1 Plane: Is This Frequent?

Sun Jun 30, 2002 2:05 am

AirTran has not laid off any pilots AFAIK, so the seniority shuffle is unlikely. There are plenty of reasons for a 4-striper to fly rightseat though.
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