Rumour: Southwest Takes 290 B737

Sat Jun 29, 2002 9:39 am

This was from Yahoo! Groups' "Orders".

A member in the "Orders" group posted that Southwest Airlines has converted all of its 290 B737 options into firm orders.

However, this was not announced.

Any opinions?  Smile
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RE: Rumour: Southwest Takes 290 B737

Sat Jun 29, 2002 12:32 pm

"If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."
IMO. an order of this magnitude would not go un-noticed by the media, or by anyone who follows commercial aviation religously, like the knowledgable members here.  Wink/being sarcastic Regards.
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RE: Rumour: Southwest Takes 290 B737

Sat Jun 29, 2002 12:47 pm

here's the quote from the Orders group:

Date: Fri Jun 28, 2002 9:27 am
Subject: WILD RUMOR; LUV signs for 290 a/c

Quote from the Boeing board:

"At the 'welcome dinner' last night for the Boeing's summer interns
Alan Mallay made a public statement that he had just signed a
contract for 290 airplanes with Southwest Airlines."
Actually this falls into the believable spectrum for me.
A "contigent" order(based on USAir, then United not getting their
gov't loans). LUV has publically talked about a repeat of the early
1990s and these many a/c would be needed for that type of growth.

LUV is *NOT* into massive PR. In the 1990s they grabbed some gates
within minutes of bankruptcy proceedings (complete with fabric
SouthWest signs). No prior leaks of their actions.

Obviously, a 290 plane order would leak, but this would be a MOST
unusual forum to get a jump on the leak. Massive morale booster (if
true) at Boeing.

LUV must be concerned about the Euro budgets grabbing all the
available production slots.


Personally, I'm pretty skeptical about it, but I guess it remains to be seen.
Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
ont 737
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RE: Rumour: Southwest Takes 290 B737

Sat Jun 29, 2002 1:13 pm

It could very well be true. Today I interviewed with Southwest and the interviewers said that they are planning to double in size in the next 10-15 years.
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RE: Rumour: Southwest Takes 290 B737

Sat Jun 29, 2002 1:54 pm

OK, here's some more info, but I think it pretty much puts the kabash on some of the rumors...

First, head over to Yahoo/Finance, type in "BA" for Boeing, and go to the messages section. Start at message #168664 and read the handful of messages in the thread.

Next, head over to the Boeing website, and look at orders. To sum it up, SWA has ordered the following 737-700s:

063 on 11-17-93
007 on 12-29-97
059 on 01-22-98
001 on 04-01-99
006 on 04-20-99
006 on 06-17-99
094 on 06-29-00 (Remember this quantity and date)

237 Total 737-700s on firm order
123 Delivered
114 Remaining

Now, look at: About the 3rd paragraph down, it says:

Southwest Places Largest-Ever Boeing Next-Generation 737 Order:

Boeing Commercial Airplanes Group confirmed June 29, 2000, that Dallas-based Southwest Airlines has placed an order for up to 290 Next-Generation 737s. The order includes 94 firm Boeing 737-700s, as well as 25 options and up to 171 purchase rights for an additional 196 Next-Generation airplanes over the next 12 years. Deliveries under the new order begin in 2002. The order is the largest ever placed for the Next-Generation 737.

Notice that the date of this 290-aircraft order is almost *exactly* two years ago, and I can't help but wonder if someone, somewhere, got confused about some dates, in particular, the year. Certainly, there are 114 previously-ordered aircraft yet to be delivered, and those plus the 25 options, and 171 purchase rights comes up to 310 aircraft, a sizeable amount if all options/rights are exercised, but my point is that the 290-aircraft order is OLD news......and skewed into something it's not, to boot.

ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.

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