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For Those Who Are Interested In 9V-SMB And SMD...

Sun Jun 30, 2002 2:32 pm

9V-SMB is parked at the catering centre alone this time with maintenance cars surrounding the lonely SMB. Also 9V-SMD, was parked at the bay area, forgot the number but it was next to gates F at the end of terminal 2, opposite the flight kitchen building, sitting there without any maintenance vehicles or stairs to approach SMD, parked next to 9V-STA and 9V-STQ if I'm correct, also with 2 other B744s 9V-SMP and 9V-SPB. I believe the SMB and SMD, especially SMB probably will not enter service unless necessary (Well SQ have quite a number of spare planes anyway).

Maybe SQ will lease the older B744s of probably sell them I suppose.

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Sun Jun 30, 2002 4:43 pm

Hooray! They are lovely Megatops but I feel their time is over. It does sound harsh, but let's ditch the oldies like the Celestar.  Laugh out loud
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Sun Jun 30, 2002 6:25 pm

Actually Singapore Airlines has 4 B747-400's for sale. 9V-SMB & SMD are available now for delivery, while SMA and SMC will be available in October and November respectively. These four aircraft are Singpore's oldest B747-400's are are considered middle aged based on having 50,000+ flight hours each.


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Sun Jun 30, 2002 7:17 pm

They could always be sold and converted to freighters, even for SIA Cargo.

Remember, SIA has always had a policy of maintaining a young fleet and by SIA standards, some of the A310s and early 744s are very old, approaching 13 years.

As more 777s arrive, more 744s can be released from revenue service and either sold or maintained as operations reserve aircraft.
 
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Sun Jun 30, 2002 7:25 pm


It is not in the habits of SIA to keep a 13-year-old aircraft in its fleet !!!

SIA never recognizes the services of ones aircraft even it is one of those who made its flowershing days !!!
 
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Sun Jun 30, 2002 7:41 pm

In fact, even though the oldest A310s are approaching 13, if you have a good look at the interior, you wouldn't even be able to tell that it's 13. I recently went to Bali on 9V-STC (which was delivered sometime in 1993 if my memory did not fail me) and the interior looked brand new. The seat covers had been changed and with exception of the lack of PTVs, you probably would not be able to tell that this was a 9 year old plane.

They recently wrote in a letter that they had refurbished their A310 fleet with new upholstery, new lavatory facilities, new curtains and new carpets. Haha, what a great way to fool your passengers!
 
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Sun Jun 30, 2002 9:48 pm

Many have said by the time SQ have finished with their planes they are in not too good a condition...........ask Dragon Air !!
 
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Sun Jun 30, 2002 9:58 pm

Who is many Daryl.............everytime I flew SQ their aircraft were in tip top condition? (by the way, I'm not Singaporean.............just recognising a good airline when I see one)

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Sun Jun 30, 2002 10:03 pm

Apparently the couple of 747-300s and A340-300s SIA sold to Dragonair as well as Cathay Pacific had a lot of technical problems (mainly with the engines) during their first few weeks so I guess he took that as an example.
 
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Sun Jun 30, 2002 10:50 pm

When it comes to Singapore Airlines, Boeing, China Airlines, and the United States, Hkgspotter1 has a way to twist the facts a little bit to make these parties look worse than they are. He made his claims based on limited data. He claimed ex-SQ A343s that CX got were in bad shape. When I went to check Airbus data, SQ's A343 fleet had slightly better dispatch reliability than CX. Both airlines had similar utilization rate and CX had slightly longer legs on each flight which should favor CX. On subjects that are not related to the four parties mentioned above, Hkgspotter1 is credible. But I suggest no one should take him seriously when it comes to SQ, Boeing, CI, and the US.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2002 1:27 am

Why ditch the Celestars? They are cool!
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Mon Jul 01, 2002 1:32 am

Of course Mr.BA Big grin But the Jubilee can fly more people faster and further  Big thumbs up

But yes, Celestars are to be honoured for their service. Smile
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Mon Jul 01, 2002 1:33 am

They aren't that old are they?
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2002 1:34 am

Yeah?...why did SQ ditch the Celestars...love flying in them...one of my favorite aircraft!!
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Mon Jul 01, 2002 8:07 am

It's kinda sad that they have decided to rid the A340s. They were so beautiful on landings and take-offs. I love them. Bring on the A345!
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Mon Jul 01, 2002 9:10 am

Right on, Mr BA. Can't want to see the new monster RR engines on the A345 in SQ colours. Should be fantastic.

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Mon Jul 01, 2002 4:07 pm

OK, this is why SIA ordered the A343 and dumped it.

SIA ordered the A340-300 in 1994 after cancelling the MD-11 order. At that time, it didn't want to order the 777 as no -ER version was available. SIA purely ordered the A340 due to the fact it wanted to launch SIN-CDG daily, and with the 744 operating SIN-CDG, load factors were pretty low and the 744s could be despatched to other services.

When the first A340 came, SIA had already ordered the IGW version of the 777-200, to be used on Asian routes. SIA then made orders for the 777-212/ER in 1998 or 1999, and the decision was that to remove A340s from service as 777-212ERs came in.

The first A340-300 was removed early last year while the first 777-200ER entered service in July last year. They might be keeping the newer A340s for pilot training(A340-500). The A345 order is actually uncertain as of now.

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Mon Jul 01, 2002 6:42 pm

SIA ordered the A343 in 1991/2. They had an add-on order in 1994. Even in 1991/2, Boeing was offering the IGW. SIA didn't consider the B777 in 1991/2. In 1994, SIA was close to considering the B777, but only as a supplement to the A343, but SIA stuck with the A343.

In 1995, Airbus was struggling with meeting the SIA's specs on the A343, SIA wasn't pleased with Airbus' progress, and Airbus had to delay the delivery of the aircraft to March of 1996 instead of the contract date of late 1995. At the time, they were requesting the two manufacturers to make their bids for replacing the A312/3s. Originally, the order was for 17 firm plus 17 options. Because of the A343 performance problems, SIA more than doubled the orginal requirement and asked the two manufacturers to make fresh bids. In November, Boeing won the 34+43 B777 order. The future fate of the A343 was long penciled in with the B777 order, but SIA only officially announced it in 2000.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2002 9:53 pm

I guess after all debates almost everyone knows why SQ have decided to sell the A340s. The B777s are excellent, but I sure will miss those beautiful A340s, so ever graceful, in fact climbing much more beautifully in my opinion.

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Mon Jul 01, 2002 10:21 pm

I was my understanding that since SIA rotates out their fleet every ten years--they tend to defer major maintenance since they receive no benefit from the cost.
It would appear the new owner would be responsible for making sure all the maintainence and directives are up to date.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2002 10:28 pm

Andy,

Who said anything about the quality of the interior ??. China Airlines have fantastic service but would you fly them.

Dynkrisolo,

Well I just speak the truth, something many on this site will not do because they don't want to be deleted. Tell me I'm wrong with what I've said about Boeing or America ?

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Tue Jul 02, 2002 4:40 am

Hi Daryl,

Ok, then let's talk about SQ's planes. Who has said that they are not in a great condition???

And yes, I would fly China Airlines. My chances of dying would probably be one in so many millions versus one in so many hundreds of millions if I took another carrier. I have flown them many times, but the service wasn't that great Big grin

So what's your point?

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Tue Jul 02, 2002 9:58 am

Hkgspotter1:

There is a fine line between truth and your personal opinion. You're a credible person, but when it comes to certain topics, your subjectivity often weakens your credibility. I don't remember any concrete examples at this time. Next time when I see one, I'll point it out. But I'll re-use the CI example. CI has a horrible safety history. I personally will avoid them at all cost. When you slammed the whole airline as if all the pilots are hooligans with no understanding of flight safety at all. That's a bit too much. All those pilots who were involved in CI's crashes had family. I bet all of them would wish that they could live longer. Certain things you said about CI were not facts. It was your opinion.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2002 11:55 am

Hkgspotter1: Talking about the shabbiness of airliners, I can guarantee that if you were to view the ramp of HKIA objectively, you will find half a dozen more shabby airliners in a very familiar livery for every shabby SIA plane that you could find.

There are many on this forum who contribute quality comments, both for or against an opinion. There are many who respect that every plane, airline, manufacturer or even image is liked and disliked by someone on this forum . . . but each time you put in your half penny's worth of flippant remarks, your side-track the entire discussion. That notwithstanding, your remarks have been tolerated, except for a few who still think that you could be convinced to be a little more intelligent in putting your thoughts to work.

Greg: This notion that since SIA roll over its fleet (not rotate) at the age of 10, it defers all major maintenance is pure utter rubbish. Even if a plane has one day left of service, an accident would absolutely tarnish the airline's image and viability. Just look at the fall-out of China Airlines B742 B-18255 which met with its destiny on its final flight! Where do you even get that notion . . . not one of those "I have my source which I cannot reveal" type of industry intelligence is it?

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Fri Jul 05, 2002 12:55 am

Would you think SQ can dump the A345 as the launching customer ?
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Fri Jul 05, 2002 1:15 am

Dennys: Air Canada is the launch customer for the Airbus A340-500. SIA is deferring the decision on the A345 to this month. SIA could receive the first A345 in October 2003.
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Fri Jul 05, 2002 4:08 am

Saw 9V-SMB yesterday (2/7) doing a flight in from somewhere.
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Fri Jul 05, 2002 9:06 am

Here's a recent photo of SMB if the dates right!


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Fri Jul 05, 2002 10:20 am

Casper, if you're reading this, was that shot taken on top of "the rock"? Jeezzz, never realised that you can actually clear the top of the fence. My, my, what've I missed !!

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Fri Jul 05, 2002 12:53 pm

ZK-NBT,

Yeah the date's right. I was with Casper on that day. I got the nose shot of him, very very dirty.

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