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AA Into PNS...

Mon Jul 01, 2002 6:20 am

With all this PNS talk.. lol.. lately, I've been thinking, why doesn't AA come back into PNS? I remember when they pulled out of PNS (it was daily flights to either dallas or New orleans, i forget) in the early 90's. Last time I saw an 0&D list for PNS, I remember chicago (or dallas) being right up there. With the ERJ's now that AA has, they could easily fly a ORD-PNS or DFW-PNS flight. If I'm not mistaken DL has a DFW-PNS flight, which does fairly well. I know UA had a MOB-ORD which did alright, but was cancelled after Sept11th? but I think a PNS-ORD fligh or PNS-DFW flight with AA (esp. with DFW and ORD being AA's hubs) would be successful. There are many possibilities for AA in and out of PNS. Any comments?
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RE: AA Into PNS...

Tue Jul 02, 2002 9:35 am

At one time, AA flew into PNS, I think it was first on AA jets to RDU, then it changed to BNA, and finally on Eagle props to BNA.

Don't know that AA or Eagle will go back since now there's DL Connection CRJs DFW-PNS.

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RE: AA Into PNS...

Tue Jul 02, 2002 10:33 am

I wish AA would do ORD-PNS...it would be great. Chicago is the number 3 destination from PNS (behind WAS and TPA) with almost 130 people moving between the two cities everyday. They could try STL-PNS which was announced by TWA in December 2000...only to be cancelled a few weeks later when TWA went bankrupt and AA took over.

Unfortunately, there are a few problems. First, AA has some real restrictions on Eagle because of scope limitations and with what little room they have to wiggle I don't think PNS is a priority. Second, PNS yields are kind of low...not a lot of business traffic plus Airtran keeps fares lower now (at least in markets that AAI serves). AA has no real presence in the south and no real loyalty...it would be an uphill battle to steal pax away from DL. In fact, if AA launched ORD-PNS...DL would almost instantly launch CVG-PNS (thats what happened when UA launced ORD-MOB).

It'd be great to see AA come back but I'm not holding my breath...for now I'll just keep spreading my business between DL and FL.
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RE: AA Into PNS...

Tue Jul 02, 2002 12:34 pm

Looking at the data, ORD, one of the Washington area airports or a NY area airport should be on the top of the list for any carrier considering expansion in PNS. Of course it could be done on the cheap with an RJ with the numbers PNS shows. HSV has two American Eagle dailies to ORD with a similar size, although slightly larger metro area. MOB being so close and sort of in the far reaches of the western PNS area probably hurts PNS. If MOB weren't in the picture I would guess PNS might have mainline service to ORD or maybe Washington.

I was looking at an AA timetable from 1985 the other day and AA had mainline service to cities like CAE, CHS, GSP, JAN, MOB and SAV. I didn't look for PNS but I think I do remember in the early nineties AA serving PNS with mainline jets to BNA and maybe DFW. Perhaps RDU also but I can't remember.

I guess here in BHM we are fortunate to have our three F100's per day. I remember AA having 10 or 11 departures a day to DFW, BNA and HSV with M80's and 727's back in the early nineties. I flew AA to LAX connecting in DFW within the past six months and both flights to and from DFW were jam packed.

Sadly only BHM, HSV, MEM, BNA, ATL, JAX, MSY and LIT are left with AA mainline in the southeast. I didn't include NC but AA does serve CLT, RDU and GSO mainline there also. Many of these stations only have two or three F100 flights each day.

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RE: AA Into PNS...

Tue Jul 02, 2002 12:37 pm

Northwest does DTW-PNS with Pinnacle CRJs, AE should be able to do one from ORD or STL.
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RE: AA Into PNS...

Wed Jul 03, 2002 2:50 am

True Hlwdcat, but the flight is only offered once a week. It also helps that NW has a presence in PNS with the MEM flights.

PNS had mainline to RDU as well....though it didn't last too long. I don't think MOB being close would really hurt PNS as PNS moves far more traffic than MOB even though MOB has a larger population.

Ideally, PNS would like to see COExpress fly PNS-EWR, UAExpress fly IAD-PNS (DCA would be better but not likely given the slot restrictions) and either Eagle or UAExpress fly PNS-ORD. Of course everybody wants WN but I think that is a ways off.
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RE: AA Into PNS...

Wed Jul 03, 2002 6:24 pm

Just to further clarify some things that have been mentioned, AA never at any time offered service PNS-DFW and that to me was a blunder, because the carrier I feel would have done well on that route, instead they flew the wrong route, PNS-BNA ultimately using Saab 340's and the loads were low, they never gave an effective route a try and probably were "turned off" by the low turn over and load factors, in addition, now after the fact of 9/11 I dont suspect PNS will see American Airlines, with financial woes here and there.....the carrier will be very seletive in expanding any.
Also, as mentioned, Northwest JetLink offers one flight a week on Saturday evening DTW-PNS and on Sunday am PNS-DTW only. Us AirTran folks work right by the NW people and see the action that takes place day to day.
Lastly, again as mentioned, everyone wants Southwest, I dont think PNS would be a city thaywould likely choose, now that FL serves the city, along with DL(Skywest), US, CO competition, and being so close to city they do serve MSY, I think they would probably consider a smaller city like VPS (Fort Walton) where AirTran did do well. But those are just my thoughts and opinions...
Pensacola Regional Airport, does do well for itself, in the morning during the early morning push, from 5am till about 7am the terminal is a zoo with eight different airplanes looking to depart at nearly the same time. Likewise mid day arrivals and departures bring many passengers to and from the area, there was a recent article where it stated, AirTran has helped to boost an all time high in passenger boardings within the last six months, cant recall the exact figure but it was really promising....
So, Pensacola Regional Airport is poised to serve, the facility is really accomadating and user friendly.
Look forward to seeing you on one of our flights soon.
AirTran Customer Service in PNS

RE: AA Into PNS...

Fri Jul 12, 2002 2:26 am

I wish AA had service to PNS. It would open yet another airline to PNS and could offer pax going to DFW a good connecting point to places that DL doesn't serve out of DFW. I wish that Air Tran would start service to AUS and compete with DL to ATL, it would also be a good connection point for pax going to PNS a lot (like me). I am coming in on CO on the 23rd if you want to meet up.

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RE: AA Into PNS...

Fri Jul 12, 2002 2:56 am

Delta mainline still does ATL-PNS, don't they?
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RE: AA Into PNS...

Fri Jul 12, 2002 3:07 am

Yes, DL does still have mainline on ATL flights. There are 6 MD-88s daily, and a CRJ late-afternoon.

Also, prior to 9.11, didn't DL have mainline flights on DFW-PNS? I thought at one point they had at least an MD-90 doing one flight, if not more.

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RE: AA Into PNS...

Fri Jul 12, 2002 4:53 am

Yes, PNS did have mainline flying PNS-DFW but it was onestop.

There were two flights. The first flight was an MD88 leaving at about 6:30am going PNS-JAN-DFW. The second flight was an MD90 leaving at about 11:30am going PNS-MSY-DFW-SAN. Shortly after 9/11, the flights were axed and replaced by 3x nonstop daily RJ service on SkyWest.

Unfortunately, it appears that PNS will be losing one Airtran flight in September. I'm not totally surprised the fourth flight was only added in March but I think it was just a little too much. Most recent reports from the local media said Airtran was running a 62% LF while DL was up to 78%.
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RE: AA Into PNS...

Fri Jul 12, 2002 7:17 am

Actually, over the past nineteen or so years (they bagan service here in 1983) Delta has had numerous different flights to from PNS to DFW..in the mid 80's Delta offered three flights a day to from DFW stopping in
BTR (Baton Rouge) then in the early to mid 90's they began three direct flights to and from Dallas using 732....they discontinued direct service toward the end of 1996....and began service for awhile stopping in Mobile and one flight of the day stopping in BTR then it was switched to JAN using M88's and MSY using the mentioned M90...those routes continued until the end of last year around October when the Skywest RJ's came in....I personally believe DL started the direct Skywest service to bring extra revenue and to compete with AirTran....speaking of which...yeah AirTran will be dropping flight 829/430 the last evening departure....this flight hasnt done really well.....there have been flight loads as low as 11 pax on a Saturday and on average the flight will be manifested to around 30 to 40 we call it the smoother flowing flight here in PNS...

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