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Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 9:46 am

Press conference at 1500.. all going well should be announced whether the A320 or 738 has been chosenใ
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 9:49 am

1500Z?



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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 9:52 am

I'm betting on the A320. A friend of mine at AirNZ mentioned that he was going to Toulouse to finalise a deal for the some new Airbus aircraft.


 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 9:59 am

1500 AKL time is 0300 GMT, 1300 SYD.
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 10:38 am

It does seem odd to me they need to get new planes with the way things are at the moment. Whats wrong with the 733's, they are far more comfortable than the QF 733's over here.

Still, I wont mind flying on them if they do get them!

Jetkid  Smile
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 10:48 am

11.09 AEST 4/6/02
[Dow Jones] Air NZ (AIZ) executives could announce major upgrade of aircraft fleet at early afternoon news conference in Auckland. AFR.com says deal could be worth up to A$1.5 billion and "will increase the urgency for an injection of new capital in the majority New Zealand government-owned carrier" and help plans for Qantas (QAN) to take 25% stake in the process. Air NZ up 1 cent at 56 cents in Sydney trade, Qantas (QAN) ahead 5 cents at A$4.60. (IGP)
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 10:58 am

I could be wrong, but I believe the selection would be between A319/B73G not A320/B738.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 11:01 am

After a bit of insider trading, I'm tipping 738's with winglets!

Is there a prize for nearest correct answer???

CM
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 11:01 am

Dow Jones or Reuters reports that NZ is currently considering the following:

737-700/-800/-900

or

A320.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 11:04 am

From Dow Jones report:

....The report, which didn't cite sources, said Air New Zealand has been in negotiations with Boeing Co. (BA) and Airbus (F.ABI) to replace its existing fleet of 15 Boeing 737-300s, adding the airline has been considering Boeing 737-700s, 737-800s, 737-900s and Airbus A320s....

 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 11:04 am

4th of July? Does that mean it's gonna be American  Smile

Cheers,

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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 12:01 pm

It's 1500 in AKL now...
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 12:07 pm

From press release moments ago...
Air New Zealand Fleet Announcement

Air New Zealand is acquiring 15 new Airbus A320 aircraft and purchase rights on a further 20 A320 aircraft, exercisable over the next 10 years, under an agreement signed with Airbus today.

“We are bringing in a new aircraft type to support a strategic change in the service and products we will be offering to short-haul international travellers on Air New Zealand’s Tasman and South Pacific routes,” the Managing Director and CEO of the Group Ralph Norris said in announcing the A320 acquisition deal.

“The Airbus aircraft will give us new capabilities for our short-haul international operations in terms of range, passenger and cargo carrying capacity, seat and cabin configurations, and in-flight services.

“We currently use a mix of Boeing 767 and 737 type aircraft on our short-haul international services and consolidation on a single type aircraft will simplify both operation and support service requirements.

“Introducing Airbus A320 aircraft to our fleet will also expand our engineering capability and enable our ANZES engineering unit to increase its range of third party contract services.

“At this time, we envisage continuing to use Boeing aircraft for Air New Zealand domestic and long-haul international services,” Mr Norris said.

Ten of the 15 A320 aircraft, a simulator, spares and other associated items are being acquired via a combination of purchase and leasing arrangements still to be finally determined by the Board of Air New Zealand within a capital investment budget in excess of US$400 million. Five of the aircraft will be acquired from the leasing company GECAS under a standard operating lease arrangements.

The first of the new A320 aircraft will be inducted into the Air New Zealand fleet at the end of October next year, and the 15th aircraft is scheduled to be delivered towards the end of 2006.

These aircraft will replace four Boeing 767-200 aircraft that are currently being retired from the Air New Zealand fleet and nine Boeing 737-300 aircraft that will be progressively retired from the fleet between September 2003 and December 2006.

The purchase of the new aircraft will have a net positive impact on Air New Zealand’s financial performance as the enhanced operating efficiency of the new aircraft, and increased seat numbers, more than offset the cost of incremental capital employed in the new fleet.

Financing for the acquisition will be secured against the aircraft and is not expected to affect the Group’s gearing levels. The acquisition can be financed without any recourse to the shareholders.

The A320 is well suited to Air New Zealand’s needs in the Tasman and short-haul Pacific markets, with more seating capacity than the Group’s existing fleet of Boeing 737 and 767 type aircraft. The A320 is capable of carrying containerised cargo and has a greater range than the 737-300 making it a better fit for the missions required by the regional market.

Under the terms of its agreement with Airbus, Air New Zealand has the right to switch between the A320 aircraft and either the larger A321 aircraft or the smaller A319 aircraft prior to delivery, should market conditions change. If this right is exercised, financial terms would be adjusted accordingly.

In addition to its commitment to acquire the 15 aircraft, Air New Zealand has secured purchase rights on a further 20 Airbus aircraft at agreed prices in the future. These rights lock in prices based on current market conditions for future acquisitions by Air New Zealand without any fixed obligation to purchase. These arrangements provide the Group with the ability to replace its entire Tasman and short-haul Pacific fleet within the next decade.

 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 12:08 pm

Im sitting here waiting!!! Soemone hurry up and spill the beans.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 12:10 pm

GEEZ. Total surprise.

A320???
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 12:12 pm

Go Airbus! Well done to Air New Zealand for choosing such a great aircraft!
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 12:13 pm

did Airbus offers CHEAP price again?
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 12:28 pm

Most likely Jiml1126,
Wouldnt suprise me if they gave them the aircraft  Big grin
Isnt that what they did with Swiss?

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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 12:34 pm

I've gotta ask this one, didn't they learn anything from there days at Ansett??
All of the NZ engineering managers at AN cringed the mixing of Airbus/Boeing fleets for an airline of it's size. Now an even smaller airline is going down the same path. Sounds like a bean counter made they decision with no engineering input.

Rmm
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 12:36 pm

I would rather see this as ANZ following BA's path.

Widebody goes Boeing.
Narrowbody goes Airbus.

Ansett's problem was that they both have A320 and B767-200 flying on the same medium-haul route, which hurts AN.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 12:40 pm

If Qantas is going to buy a stake in ANZ wouldn't they want commodity with Qantas 738's
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 12:52 pm

Any word on the engines? You know if this will be from United's deferred orders, a la Ansett's "Tesna" plan???
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 1:14 pm

Excellent, we get to the see the A320 in Australian skies again. It will be interesting to see how these aircraft look wearing Air NZ colours.

I also expect Air NZ to order a number of A319 & A321 aircraft in the future. This will assist them with matching relevant aircraft to pax on routes throughout the region.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 1:23 pm

They will probably keep the B 767-200 for sometime.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 1:28 pm

Well is this the beginning of a new Air New Zealand I think so!!

Well atleast now us spotters in NZ will get to see some short haul airbuses!! Also I think Qantas will bring in brand new 737-800's to NZ once NZ starts recieveing these new A320's.

I actually think the 767-200's will be the first to go but I may be wrong.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 1:29 pm

Dow Jones

"The new aircraft will replace four Boeing 767-200 aircraft that are currently being retired from Air New Zealand's fleet and nine Boeing 737-300 aircraft that will be progressively retired from the fleet between September 2003 and December 2006."

 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4J

Thu Jul 04, 2002 1:31 pm

United Airline, it has been reported that ANZ will be retiring that B762's, and will use the B763's on international service.

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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 1:34 pm

I doubt it United from their media release I got the impression that the B762 will be the first aircraft type to leave the fleet.

The media release says These aircraft will replace four Boeing 767-200 aircraft that are currently being retired. A320 deliveries start October 2003.

Does anyone know if they have excess capacity at the moment?
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 2:05 pm

I wonder which 733s will go?

Also good news from AirNZ not the aircraft I was expecting.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 2:14 pm

I've had a pic of the new aircraft since Monday - beautiful pic, all 3 types flying in formation in NZ colours.

Strictly embargoed, but should be released shortly (matter of 30 mins!)

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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 2:31 pm

Very, very interesting...

This discourages QF from taking a stake, it looks as though the Kiwis are trying to take a stand with their national airline.

Does this signal a possible change to Airbus with the long-haul fleet?
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 2:33 pm

Who's gonna fly them??? all the ex Ansett A320 pilots??? I have my doubts whether it will end up being the best move they've ever made.
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 2:33 pm

Here's a pic just released to the public website..

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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 2:36 pm

Notice the different engine types.. they arnt giving anything away are they. Though the more efficient V2500 engines would likely win out? (esp if efficiency is a justification for the A320) What did Ansett use (CFM right?)

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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 2:36 pm

Although the press release says that they will remain with Boeing for long-haul, it's not inconceivable that they choose the Airbus widebodies...but there's still a way to go yet financially.
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 2:39 pm

I noticed the different engine types.

As I understood it ANZES was to be the South Pacific service centre for IAE/P&W which would suggest that the V2500 was favourite. Having said that NZ's experience with CFMs on the 733s would be something of an attraction also.
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 2:41 pm

I am quite surprise with NZ's decision .

I hope they order A330-200s and B777-200ERs for med and long routes respectively .

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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 2:43 pm

The other mildly interesting thing about the artists' impressions, other than the engines, is the missing Star logos aft of the cockpit windows?!
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 2:59 pm

Tulla,

Don't you mean they forgot to put the one world sticker on?

 Big grin

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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 3:26 pm

seeing 5 of the planes are being leased from GECAS, I think the CFM powerplant would be a clear favourite. There appears to have been a last minute change of heart by AirNZ here. Several people in the know had been told that the 737NG would be chosen by the airline and that was up to an hour before the final announcement. Can't help but think it is a move designed to counteract the Qantas proposed stakeholding in AirNZ. Let's get a different type to big brother to help preserve our jobs type syndrome,some would say.
Are the NZ Gov't and taxpayers expected to foot the bill for this or are the NZ Gov't/NZboard playing games with QF here?
I know it's cynical, but it's hard not to be. And I'm sure there were images of NZ 737NGs available for release to the press if Boeing won the contract. It's not hard to see a QF 777 image, they were very common at one stage.

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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 4:17 pm

YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!
A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320
She'll looks so GREAT in the ANZ livery !!!
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 4:30 pm

Guys,
As far as fleet commonality with Qantas goes, this is a non-issue.
Qantas are looking at a possible "stake" in Air NZ (up to 25%), not a full blown merger so the A320 decision may not even affect this.
Remember, Qantas (as well as BA/BOAC) have had part ownership of Air NZ/TEAL in the past with despite the varying fleets.  Smile
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 4:32 pm

I imaged that B733s will be trashed! Because B733s are old and no longer available in the future.
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 5:58 pm

There are some fundamental issues why ANZ went the Airbus way. One of the most important is cargo/freight. The problem with the B737 was that it was still incapable of taking the LD3, and ANZ were being caned for the lack of freight uplift from ChCh particularly.

It points also to ANZ moving to a frequency based model rather than capacity, particularly trans-tasman. QF are looking to using the A330's trans-tasman, but on reduced frequencies. ANZ felt that as a viable option for both the leisure and business traveller was frequency.

Interesting to note the ability to interchange the types (A319/320/321) at relatively short notice. My sources tell me that already they have identified a 3 xA319, 4 x A321 and 8 A320 fleet mix.

The biggest question remains for the long haul fleet. If the strategic plan is taken to it's logical conclusion, expect to see the A330, and possibly the A340 figure from 2005 onwards. As to the A380, there are only two routes where that aircraft could be deployed (and not all year). 2005 will be decision time for the B747-400 fleet, and if the economics stand up the A340 will again feature as a frequency versus capacity tool. By then of course, the ANZ tech crew will be AI qualified.

Now the B737-300 issue is interesting. Freedom Air is to continue, and will probably take up some of the B737's released from the ANZ fleet. In fact 15 B737's wouldn't be a bad start for a small Australian domestic operation would it!!

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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4J

Thu Jul 04, 2002 6:13 pm

Hmm, will the passengers like a narrowbody for a 3 hr flight across the Tasman? Wonder what their reaction would be? IMO, a widebody should be used.......

But I guess one reason why the A320 was chosen was because it's cheaper?????? Any comments?
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 6:20 pm

Jesseycy,
Narrowbodies have been used Trans-Tasman and for the Pacific Islands for generations.
Kiwi International, Air New Zealand (even in the DC8 days), Qantas, Polynesian, Air Nauru, just to name a few.
Personally, I prefer a widebody for that length of time though!  Smile

 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4J

Thu Jul 04, 2002 6:22 pm

Air New Zealand has an ALL Boeing Fleet for widebodies (B 767-200(To be retired in 2004), B 767-300ER, as well as the B 747-400). It is likely that they will stick with Boeing. But who knows?

They just placed an order for the A 320.

It is likely that they will keep an ALL Boeing Fleet for widebodies and an ALL AIRBUS Fleet for narrowbodies, like BA.

 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 6:40 pm

Well I don't no guys but here's my early opinion on the long haul fleet.

763 to stay
332 has to close a capacity to 763 so I doubt they will take this, and I may be wrong here but the 333 may not have the range for some Asian routes?
What is the range of the A333?

I think they will go for the 772 myself or at least I would expect them to but then again they just ordered the A320 so who know's. I think the A340 would be unlikely but I really don't no.

I think we may see a decision for the replacment of the oldest 744's my guess is the 744QLR or the 773ER. These would enter service in around 2006.
Then again I agree that there is the A380 as a real dark horse, the only real current routes are AKL-LAX, LAX-LHR, AKL-NRT and SYD-LAX and like was said earlier not all of these routes can handle such an aircraft year round.

Really this A320 order though has confused me so I really don't no.

Just my opinion though.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)

Thu Jul 04, 2002 7:02 pm

Poor ANZ, what were they thinking? Ordering a bunch of lawnmowers  Laugh out loud
Admit it, A320s do sound like lawnmowers  Big thumbs up
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