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What Will Boeing Do After 737-900?

Sat Oct 02, 1999 12:48 pm

It seems that Boeing will have headaches on naming its aircraft after 737-900 or 777-900 (if Boeing did have versions of 777 from 300 to 900). I was just wondering, will Boeing ever name the next 737 variant 737-1000, or 737-2000 etc... Anyone here has some ideas? Perhaps after 777, shall call it 888???

Interestingly, Airbus has unlimited model numbers-eg A320 can turned into A329, A325, A395, A349, etc... Smart Europeans :-)

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RE: What Will Boeing Do After 737-900?

Sat Oct 02, 1999 1:04 pm

Pandora wrote:
Interestingly, Airbus has unlimited model numbers-eg A320 can turned into A329, A325, A395, A349, etc... Smart Europeans :-)

Huh? Sorry, but there cannot be an unlimited number of A320 varients. There can be an A311-A329, but after that doesn't it compete with the A330 and A310 (althought the A310 is out of production[I think, I am not sure]). The one smart thing about the Airbus numbering system is that there COULD be the A319-100 through A319-900.

Still, if there was an A311 it would probably seat about 20 people and the A329 would likely seat as many as the A340! LOL!

Just a thought...

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RE: What Will Boeing Do After 737-900?

Sat Oct 02, 1999 1:10 pm

I have a really revolutionary idea!

How about giving actual names to aircraft families instead of alphanumeric designations.

We can come up with names such as Constellation, Caravelle, Electra, Stratocruiser--just kidding, but it would be nice to get names again. I think the last named aircraft was the Concorde. Everything else has had some numerical designation. I am not sure if I would like to fly in a DeHavilland Dragon Fly or a DH Fairy again, but there is something to be said for naming an aircraft line. Business jets have names such as Challenger, Falcon, why not come up with names for commercial aircraft? The 737 should be renamed the Herb-700 or perhaps the Kelleher-800 since Southwest is largely responsible for the NG's!

How about the Boeing Denali-100? and its larger sister the Boeing Ranier-400IGW or the Airbus MontBlanc 300LR. Could be fun!

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RE: What Will Boeing Do After 737-900?

Sat Oct 02, 1999 1:37 pm

The tristar was the last named jet I believe.
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RE: What Will Boeing Do After 737-900?

Sat Oct 02, 1999 5:37 pm

Realistically the 737-900 is the last genesis of the 737, anyway. If there is another model, then Boeing will call it the 737-1000, as it is the next series of one hundred. There's no big deal at going up to -2700 if Boeing wants to or sees reason to.

After the 797 is it probable that Boeing will go to a series beginning at 807. Boeing commercial airplanes have a history of concluding with a 7.

Model 247, 307, 707 to name a few of the more famous.

By the time that Boeing gets to 807 there will hopefully be some sort of technological leap from which Boeing can base a new family upon. It could be anything: flying wings, hypersonic transport... you name it, we could have it for the right amount of $$$.

On the surface the Airbus numbering looks good (and as far as derivatives go, it possibly is). However, lots and lots of travel agents all around the world have difficulty in remembering what airplane is what airplane, as this numbering system is less friendly than the one stumbled upon by Boeing. For instance, travel agents are more likely to understand the difference between a 737 and a 777 than an A320 and A330 simply because of the numbering system. An interesting psychological phenomenon. :-)

Airbus' numbering system runs out at A390 for a basic model. The 737 is the only airplane that comes close to have the required nine derivatives... each Airbus model is a long, long way from that scenario. Only reason the A340 is up to -600 is because the -100 and -400 were never accepted by customers.
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RE: What Will Boeing Do After 737-900?

Sat Oct 02, 1999 6:56 pm

I agree that the 737-900 is the end of the line.

My guess is that the next series will be based on 9 a stronger number than 8.

Also predict one family from 110 seats to 230 seats with similar range potential to to-days 757.

Also Boeing might try to make a Twin Aisle solution to this problem, or maybe a 7" increase in diameter. 1" for each seat and one for the aisle.

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RE: What Will Boeing Do After 737-900?

Sat Oct 02, 1999 7:30 pm

One range of airplanes is the most likely scenario for a 737/757 replacement. To gather the best performance out of various airframe lengths, I suspect that Boeing will settle upon two wings for essentially what is one airplane. This way the company can properly cover the 110-230 seat range as well as 300nm-4,000nm ranges. The two wings would be a direct scaling of one another. By scaling up a wing, for example, by 1.5 times, Boeing can use about 75% of the parts used in the smaller wing.

I agree wholeheartedly that the fuselage will probably seat 2+2+2 in economy, as was the model 7J7 proposal in 1987. First/Business seating is then 1+2+1 or 2+2+1, depending on the airline.

Interesting thoughts about the "9" instead of the "8"...

RE: What Will Boeing Do After 737-900?

Sat Oct 02, 1999 9:38 pm

I love this topic. I think that Ravia seems right. The 7-7s must be jets with swept back wings, so maybe the 8-7 series will be something weird like what he said. I personally think that Fat Albert (the 737) will live forever. Even way after the -1000 series. Boeing is doing so well with it, why stop? If I am not mistaken, I think that the 737 is the biggest seller ever. What do you think Boeing would do if they got rid of the 737? There would HAVE to be a 737 replacement.


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RE: What Will Boeing Do After 737-900?

Sun Oct 03, 1999 12:11 am

That's an intersting subject of conversation.
If Boeing continues making the 737, they'll name the next variants 737-1000, 1100, 1200, and so on...there's nothing wrong with that. That seems to be the logical next step. What will Boeing do after the 797? That's a good question. Many people have been asking themselves that question but that's not something to be concerned about because Boeing can still work on newer variants of previously designed models such as the 757 and 767. They can start thinking of new models such as the 757-400, 767-500/600/700, 777-400, and why not a 777 Freighter...and maybe the proposed 747-500 and 600 will be built depending on the market, all of that in addition to the two new airplanes left: the 787 and the 797. Maybe they'll announce a 747-700. So you see, Boeing engineers can come up with a whole lot of ideas for the next century, at least the next three or four decades !
The same applies to Airbus, what will they do after the A390? The A350 has not even been announced yet, although I think that if the A3XX becomes reality it will be called the A350, so they still have many new models to come out with before they design the A390. And they can come up with new variants of the A330 and A340 such as the A329, A331, A339 and A341. I'm sure they have on the drawing board many new models that people don't know about.

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Re: 737/757 Replacement

Sun Oct 03, 1999 11:00 am

Realistically, the earliest that Boeing will genuinely consider replacing the 737 will be about 2005/6. By that stage in time the 757 will also begin to show its age. There is also the expected psychological phenomenon of the "2000 syndrome". The 2000 syndrome is not really a syndrome, but is expected to increase the productivity of inventors, engineers and designers (amongst many other professions) world wide. So new ideas, solutions and the like should become more apparent after 2001.

This is why I hesitate in saying that the 737/757 replacement will be something similar to the sort of flying machines that we have today. The economics in me says that it will be, the romance in me suggests that a few funky new ideas will be available by the time it comes up.

Realistically, the only revolution that the 737/757 replacement - most likely the 787 or 797 or 787 AND 797 - is the death of the single-aisle 100-220 seat transport. The increased use of carbon fibre - particularly in the wing - will allow for a slight increase in the surface area of the passenger cabin. This should account for roughly the width of one extra aisle. Therefore, 2+2+2 economy seating is something to be expected in the future. At a guess I'd say that seat width would be a comfortable 18-18.5 inches. Every single person on the airplane would have a window or aisle seat. Such comforts are unprecedented. The large airplanes that come closest to delivering this scenario are the DC-9/MD-80/90/717 and the 767.

There is unlikely to be any great step in propulsion or aerodynamics. A small revolution will be in the cockpit - the one area of aircraft development that seems to be progressing very quickly. Pilots will be introduced to a third dimension for instrument flying - knowing where the ground is at all times, and the conditions of the airspace around them (such as weather and other aircraft). The 21st century cockpit may be similar to what you and I know as "virtual reality" today - except upgraded and with a significant benefit - safety.

There's not much doubt in my mind that Boeing leads the way for cockpit improvements. Incorporation of the human into the cockpit is something that will not disappear in the next forty or fifty years. However, the role of the pilot will continue to change.

Although the 737 is in its third re-incarnate form, a fourth is unlikely. It is the best selling jet transport of all time, with 4,325+ units sold, but the way the world will be viewed next century has the possibility of drastically changing the way that we think about air travel. And whilst the 737NG is very much an all-new airframe/wing combination, there is no mistaking its heritage from the original 1965 737-100 and how airline travel was viewed at that particular time.
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Re: 737/757 Replacement

Sun Oct 03, 1999 11:07 am

I predict that the 787 or 797 will be a super transporter, maybe the Blended Wing Design we've discussed before. I would imagine they're saving the 807 for their first hypersonic jet around 2020. I think we can all agree that 15+ hours of flying sucks on any airline and in any class.
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Why Not 737-3001, Or 737-9009

Sun Oct 03, 1999 12:33 pm

I mentioned unlimited numbers... whopps, my mistake. three numbering system have a limited arrangement such as 1-2-3 can be arrnaged into 123, 132, 213, 321, 312. however, usig mathematical methods, there are thsouands of arrangement for four letter numbers.

So why not 7373 or A3330? What do you think?

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