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Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Mon Jul 08, 2002 11:05 pm

Any international carriers fly to Wales? even regional Euro carriers count, so are any such airlines flying to anywhere in Wales? what aircraft do they use?
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Mon Jul 08, 2002 11:32 pm

Ryanair: Dublin-Cardiff (737-200s);
KLM: Amsterdam-Cardiff (F70s and F50s).

A few foreign charter airlines also operate into Cardiff.
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Mon Jul 08, 2002 11:35 pm

KLM Cityhopper use Fokker 70 and Fokker 50 from Amsterdam on scheduled flights

Also many charter flights -

Spanair A32? to Gerona
Iberworld A310 or A330 to Palma
Iberworld A320 to Ibiza
Hemus Air/Balkan Holidays Tu154 to Bourgas
Hola Airlines B737-300 to Alicante and Malaga
Air Europa B737-800 to Malaga
Ryanair B737-200 to Dublin
Air transat A310 to Toronto

These are the ones I can remember - their may be more
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 12:19 am

Probably pegasus might do some flights maybe... not much really.

CWL gets some large aircraft, but alot of the time there isn't much happening. You'd expect more from a capital city!!!

Alot of people travel to Bristol, or London for their flights, so Cardiff is rarely used.
 
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 12:49 am

'Alot of people travel to Bristol, or London for their flights, so Cardiff is rarely used.'

Bristol isn't exactly buzzing, lol ... at least we get all the BA 777 and 744's  Big grin

Just to say a few others, Air Luxor come in Monday mornings on a flight from Funchal using the A320 .. Spanair use both A320 and MD-83 ...

BMI Baby won't arrive till autumn, should be good  Big thumbs up
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diesel1
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 1:07 am

EGGD

No flights by Pegasus to Turkey, though I can add the following to my earlier list...
Aegean Cronus B737 to Rhodes and Heraklion
Air Malta (B737?) to Malta
Futura B737 to Fuerteventura
Air Luxor A320 to Funchal


As you've engaged in some CWL bashing, I need to put the record straight...


2001 passenger figures were 1550157
There were 22442 Scheduled, Charter and Freight aircraft movements

Passenger figures will (hopefully) increase with the arrival of bmibaby - an estimated 1million extra passengers - though this will be offset to some degree by the ending of British Airways citiexpress flights to Dublin, Newcastle, Edinburgh and Glasgow

All of this doesn't make Cardiff the busiest airport in the world, but with over 1.5 million people p.a. using it (an average of 4247 people per day across the year), it is unfair to say it is rarely used.
It is a well patronised regional airport.

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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 3:01 am

What about Swansea, their only scheduled flights are the Do228 Air Wales to DUB, right? Anything charter?

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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 3:10 am

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I wasn't bashing CWL, I just think its underserved. There are times when there isn't a flight for 6 hours (I remember a sunday about 2 months ago when it was like that). Cardiff, being a capital you would expect to have some constant traffic, and have more interest than it does. Esp. when it doesn't have a particularly short runway.

Remember there is Newport and Swansea quite nearby, so I'd expect that within a 40 mile radius there must be at least 1.5 million people.

1.5m isn't alot, Bristol is alot smaller (and we have no maintenence place  Sad and a small uneven runway), we still get 2.8m a year.

I don't think that, 1 million passengers per year will be introduced by bmibaby. The impact here was alot less than that with go, and remember they based three aircraft here. So I'd say probably 500,000 would be more likely.

I must get down to CWL next time the rugby is on, lots of interesting visitors!!! I also hope BA go into receivership or administration, so there'll be a couple more BA planes over there  Smile. No wait... I don't!!

Aww you can't win :/

Swansea - rofl. uhhhh... nothing chartered I don't think, but I'm pretty sure there was like a second do228 being based therE?

I hope that Go start a base (although thats impossible), at CWL, it would beat them starting one at NCL ha ha!!!  Smile
 
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 4:16 am

EGGD .. Newport is where i live, Branson is making an airport there ... gonna have 3 terminals apparently (3 times the size of Cardiff) although 1 will be Cargo...
It's gonna be a big one  Big thumbs up
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 4:19 am

I heard the FAA were planning it... to be bigger than 3 times the size!!! Its supposed to be to the east of newport (closer to me he he Big grin), and be an alternative to expanding LHR even further, and relieving traffic. More cargo than normal though.
 
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 4:23 am

This is the information I got a couple of weeks back:

Airport bid all set for take-off
PLANS for a Severnside international airport in Gwent offering the prospect of thousands of jobs look set to be seriously considered by the government.

Backers of the plans have had an uphill task over the past few years in arguing that an airport on the flatlands of south Gwent and the estuary near the Severn Bridge is feasible.

But the Argus understands that Severnside will be included as an option in a consultation document leading to the important Air Transport White Paper due to be published this year.

The government is desperate to find a site for another international `Class A' airport as the skies over the South East of England become more and more congested.

The Severnside International Airport Company, headed by Bath-based developer Peter Charles-Greed, says it has received a letter from the airport policy section of the department confirming that the Severnside project would be included as an option in the search for a new international site.

The impact of an airport on the local economy would be gigantic and few could resist it on those grounds alone. The backers also say they can deal with the dramatic environmental change such a scheme would necessitate.

Mr Charles-Greed said the government predicted that by 2016 passenger demand would exceed airport capacity by 70 million a year, even if all existing airports maximised their accommodation.

"French and Dutch airports are making a serious bid for a big share of this gap in the UK market," he told the Argus. "Demand for 24-hour air freight is also increasing rapidly.

"The solution is to build a new airport near the Severn Bridge. This may at first seem too far west, but Severnside will have fast direct road, rail and air links to London and the rest of the country.

"There are several other airports in the region which have all been carefully considered, but by the time Severnside opened they would all be full or nearly full. In addition, they have local populations who will not welcome noise, pollutionand disruption.

"The main concern of people and local authorities in the Newport area is job creation and improvement in the local economy."

A Transport Department spokeswoman said she could not comment on the contents of the consultation paper or the White Paper.

The White Paper will collate all the information which has been gathered in a number of air transport consultations throughout Britain.


Sounds good to me!
 
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 7:11 am

EGGD, think you are right on bmibaby...I tried some sums to see what 1 million pax a year meant in movements...
bmibaby would need to operate 18 flights a day in/out of CWL, all fully loaded, to get that kind of figure - there's no way they'll do that with 2 a/c !

If, say, they op 2 a/c, each doing 3 return trips (6 flights) a day, if they are fully loaded, then we're looking at around 650k pax - so your 500k seems a reasonable estimate
(I've assumed B737 with 148pax)

I don't know how many people is the catchment area for CWL - do you think people will travel from the Bristol area to go bmibaby?
I've friends who went from BRS by Go to Edinburgh a couple of weeks ago because it was so much cheaper (even after they had hired one of those stretch limos to take them there and back!!!)

I'm using Go to go to Palma in September - £80 per person cheaper than using a charter flight from CWL (or BRS) and still cheaper than using a London airport!

I don't why it is, but BRS has always outperformed CWL despite the shorter runway, the weather and (until recently) a much poorer terminal

Lastly, if Severnside airport becomes a reality, then I think that will be the end of CWL and BRS...and Filton and StAthan too maybe ? Unlike CWL & BRS, both with none too clever roadlinks and no rail links, it would be close to the M4.
We'll have to wait and see - I don't think it will happen, but you never know.

One last foreign flight..Tyrolean have been reported as op as weekly charter ti Innsbruck from later this month - using a CRJ - couldn't find any details on this on the CWL website so guess its probably a non starter...

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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 5:57 pm

Well, depending on how nationalistic your views are BA and BMI baby are foreign carriers!
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 8:16 pm

Hehehe.....noticed that pop there. Well...GLA,EDI AND NCL  Big thumbs up are busier than BRS and CWL, but......what about foreign cargo airlies at CWL?

EGFF, Does the Geordie glider count as foreign  Laugh out loud
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diesel1
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 8:47 pm

GKirk...foreign cargo airlines, few and far between - and what CWL gets is thanks to Ford and their factories in South Wales - without them there would be almost nothing...

In the past I've seen Dasair and EAS 707s from Africa, Heavylift Belfasts and the Conroy Guppy from the UK, but now it's more likely to be An12s from Bulgaria or Air Atlantique and their DC6s or Electras

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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 9:08 pm

Yup but GLA, EDI and NCL have a much bigger catchment area, and are nowhere near london so they are good alternatives. It only takes 1h 20 minutes to get to london from here, so thats what most people do!
 
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 9:24 pm

Yes, half of Scotland also uses NCL for cheaper flights also, so that helps. (Cheaper flight supplements)  Big grin
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Wed Jul 10, 2002 12:12 am

Diesel1 - Tyrolean operated into EXT last winter (I think).

My girlfriend flew aboard GO from BRS to AGP on July 5. Indeed, she said the flight was excellent, and much better than charter airlines. I am flying to AGP from BRS aboard GO on July 17.

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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Wed Jul 10, 2002 2:34 am

'I heard the FAA were planning it... to be bigger than 3 times the size!!! Its supposed to be to the east of newport (closer to me he he'

I think you'll find your wrong there EGGD ... Where there planning the airport i can see the site from my mates house which is 5mins from mine, so how do you work out your closer? bwahaha

Im looking forward to it Big grin
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Wed Jul 24, 2002 12:55 am

Well, in amongst the suggestions of 3 extra runways for Stansted (so says the BBC, but I can't believe that's right ?), and proposals for another at LHR , EDI and at LGW (after the year 2019 !!), the Transport Minister has said a new airport at Severnside is 'extremely unlikely to happen unless BRS or CWL close down'....

Looks like we're stuck with what we've got then !  Big grin
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Wed Jul 24, 2002 1:10 am

Heard on the news a few moments ago that the government are still looking into building the airport here in Gwent  Big thumbs up fingers crossed for myself and EGGD Big grin
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Wed Jul 24, 2002 1:51 am

EGFF - I think if they do build it we need a petition to build the best viewing area possible!!!

Ya know, 300ft tower, open windows, brilliant  Smokin cool
 
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Wed Jul 24, 2002 2:38 am

hahaha Dan, stick my name down for that one  Big thumbs up
btw, i'll be popping down to BRS in the next few months, fancy meeting up?
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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Wed Jul 24, 2002 3:22 am

Could LOT Polish Airlines ever consider flying to Cardiff, or any other destination in Wales???

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RE: Foreign Airlines In Wales?

Tue Aug 06, 2002 4:28 am

It would be nice to have a 'big' airport in North Wales. Caernarfon airport was ment to have a big upgrade so it can handle bigger planes so it can be used to fly from the north to south on scheduled aircrafts but it never got it. As the roads from north Wales to south Wales are rubbish I know this service would be a huge hit. Flights to Ireland will also be possible and will be a hit, rather than taking a ferry. I'm not saying it should handle jets (eventhough it would be nice not to travel to Liverpool ,Manchester or Birmingham) but theres probably not enough people in the catchment area of Caernarfon. Air Wales will be ideal customer. Maybe sometime.
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