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The Future Of KUL

Mon Jul 08, 2002 11:35 pm

British Airways, Lufthansa, Qantas, Northwest etc were once key carriers at KUL. However, they all pulled out of KUL. And KLM reduced its flights from daily to six times a week (Correct me if I am wrong).

KUL was rated number 2 last year although it always suffer from under-capacity.

The Malaysian Government has already abolished ALL landing fees and a number of negotiations with these airlines. However, they still can't get these key carriers back to KUL. Why?

The Malaysian Government plans to build KUL into a hub. However, I am not very optimistic about this although I like KUL a lot myself.

What's the future of KUL? Any chance for them to promote KUL?
 
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Mon Jul 08, 2002 11:39 pm

Does SQ still fly from KUL to SIN? If not, will they reinstate this route anytime soon?
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 12:04 am


the SIN-KUL flights is always there...... its 8 flights daily i supposed...
 
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 12:15 am

I flew from AMS to KUL and it was full.

I must say that it does seem rather quiet during the day at KUL, although in the evening when the long haul flights are in, its hectic.

Its a great airport, I preferred it to Singapore.
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 12:17 am

KUL is bigger, as well as more advanced than SIN. At least it is newer.

But I like both of them.

I hope they will do something to promote KUL. Any idea how?
 
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 2:18 am

Actually, BA's flight to KUL was profitable when they had extensions to Australia. But not when they fly to Jakarta VIA KUL.

There is a market for BA in KUL since they can connect millions and millions of Malaysians into Europe as well as Australia with extensions.

So any idea to promote KUL? They have already abolished landing fees.
 
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 2:54 am

Its kinda hard for KUL to be up and coming due to the massive infrastructure that is already built up in SIN. SIN for example, is Qantas' SEA hub. Unless Qantas relocates everything to SIN, there wont be much of a opportunity for BA/QF/OneWorld to move over to KUL as pax would have difficulty connecting.

KUL's lack of connectivity might also play apart. It wont be a choice for business pax, if they have to fly to KUL then to SIN to get to their destination.

Another factor could be the distance of KLIA from KL itself. 1 hour travelling isnt something everybody looks forward to.

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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 3:49 am

To say it is far from the city and lack of connectivity are not such a strong excuse in my opinion. It is pure bad luck that KUL was completed just in time the recession occured and to these airlines a pure economic sense are to cut KUL from the network coz SIN & BKK can serve them better and they are more establish. I will never right KUL off for being a premier airport coz once the economic is better and they start to realize that they are losing passengers to MAS, they will be back. Currently most of Middle Eastern airlines are flying to KUL and making its their hub and that is a good sign. Other point is MAS needs to be in an alliance so KUL can be the South East Asia hub to this alliance
 
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 7:04 am

The best way to promote KUL is for Air New Zealand to buy B744ER and B777ER, and to fly them KUL to Europe and the USA. I heard it on this board
 
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 7:18 am

...but I thought Air NZ is in the process of buying the B744-500ERRE QLR XPC NRT - FFR with the super duper winglets...what's going on?

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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 11:01 am

Seriously, can Air New Zealand CODESHARE with MAS and provide service to KUL? Like what they are doing with LH?

Guys, anything they can do to promote KUL? It is a huge, as well as a nice airport but it suffers from undercapacity. It is indeed a waste........
 
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 11:03 am

Another factor could be the distance of KLIA from KL itself. 1 hour travelling isnt something everybody looks forward to.

They now building an express train to connect KLIA with the city (Correct me if I am wrong)
 
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 11:45 am

United,

The train is actually already operational and has been since april this year. Transit time is advertised as 28 minutes. I've been on it several times, and it actually runs only 26 minutes and 15 seconds "chock to chock".





 
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 12:30 pm

Good news indeed. But how much does it cost?
 
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 1:33 pm

It'll cost you RM35 (USD1=RM3.80) per trip.

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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 1:49 pm

KUL simply doesn't have the needed frequencies of all carriers operating there as a connecting hub, except for MH, of course.

In addition, it doesn't help that you have SIN to the south and BKK to the north which are both more built up in terms of traffic and frequency.
 
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 2:02 pm

KUL is in many ways more modern and larger than Singapore and Bangkok. It is the largest airport in SE Asia and also the home base for the largest airline in SE Asia, MAS. However, SIN has always been a traditional stopover for the Kangaroo route since the days of BOAC, even though BA operated to Perth from KUL. Even in the days of Subang, traffic loads were significantly smaller than BKK and SIN. Now superimpose that Subang traffic into the massive area KLIA currently is, makes the light traffic even more glaring and acute.

The Malaysian govt has foresight, because the traffic is expected to grow. Just that the airport was opened at the wrong time, right at the tail end of the Asian Economic crisis. On the plus side, Qatar Airways, Yemenia and a handful of carriers did inaugurate / increase services into KUL.

Now with pax traffic climbing back to pre-911 levels, MAS is also increasing frequencies to many of their destinations and they are currently the only airline flying the prime routes to LHR and CDG - fleet stream lining notwithstanding! However, I must attest to the fact that the peak periods at KLIA is a tad boring...

What KLIA needs is to win some awards like Changi has for the last decade or so, to put it on the international map.
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 2:18 pm

OK, its 26 mins. Which business person would take a train instead of a cab or limosine?
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 2:26 pm

There are quite a large number of Businessmen taking the Airport Express. Coz it is fast, convenient as well as comfortable.

What KLIA needs is to win some awards like Changi has for the last decade or so, to put it on the international map.

According to Skytrax 2001, KLIA was rated NUMBER 2 globally (Rated higher than Changi Airport).

There is a market for KUL since airlines can connect a large number of Malaysians, Australians (Via KUL) and Singaporeans (Via KUL) to different places in the World. I hope they can do something to promote KUL.  Smile

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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 2:36 pm

There are quite a large number of Businessmen taking the Airport Express. Coz it is fast, convenient as well as comfortable.

I mean in Hong Kong.

 
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 2:44 pm

Yeah... but you need to be in the #1 spot for people to see you, no one remembers who is in the 2nd spot. Especially when SIN's reputation is world renowned as they have been winning awards continuously for the last 10 yrs!
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 3:09 pm

HKG is now No 1.:D

True. They must work very hard to promote KUL as a hub.

 
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 6:32 pm

A lot of us here talk about the sheer size of KLIA. In my personal opinion size doesn't mean everything. Efficiency, comfort is something that counts also. SIN offers much better connection also.
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 6:43 pm

The lack of Oneworld airlines at KUL is ridiculous, I wanted to fly I will be going to SIN in October but I wanted to return from KUL. The only thing that Oneworld could offer me was via Hong Kong!

I prefer BA so I just booked with them to SIN and back and booked seperate flights with SQ for KUL which is not ideal but has to be better than going to Hong Kong.

Can anyone tell me where in the city the KUL express train goes to?

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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 10:06 pm

Matt,

The train goes to somewhere near bangsar/national museum/Tun Sambanthan road.
 
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Tue Jul 09, 2002 11:27 pm

KLCAT (KL City Air Terminal) or KL Sentral is located next to the train station of Bangsar. From there, it is still a 5-10 mins taxi ride to the city center (Ampang, Bukit Bintang or Pudu).
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Wed Jul 10, 2002 1:26 am

The incentives being offered by the Malaysian government can only do so much to attract new airlines & the big 3 that suspended their KUL services a few years ago. It’s not just airport fees the airlines take into consideration when starting a new route or resuming a previously suspended one, otherwise we would see many more airlines than we already do at KUL but the fact that there’s no strong alliance presence in KUL for connecting passengers is a big disadvantage for turning the airport into a major hub.
KLIA may be a newer modern airport than SIN or BKK, but that doesn't mean much when it’s under-utilized. The demand has to be there like at HKG which opened at around the same time as KLIA.

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RE: The Future Of KUL

Wed Jul 10, 2002 4:39 am

I hope BA, LH, QF will resume service to KUL in the future. Any chance?

I heard that Australian Airlines will fly to KUL in the future.

Why did NW pull out of KUL?
 
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Wed Jul 10, 2002 9:23 am

Ryanair - just a footnote - British Airways in its time operate from KUL to Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane and Auckland. At its peak it operated twice weekly KUL-PER-ADL and KUL-MEL-AKL
 
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RE: The Future Of KUL

Wed Jul 10, 2002 9:47 pm

OK, its 26 mins. Which business person would take a train instead of a cab or limosine?

For one thing, the train is much faster, 28 (26?) mins, as opposed to the time taken by cab/limosuine which is around 1 hour. The price for a cab/limosuine is around RM70, twice as much as it costs to take the train. The train is also much more comfortable.