jfktowerfan
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Does This Thing Really Fly?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 3:33 am

Just saw this pic and thought it was one of the strangest planes I had ever seen. Anyone know anything about it?

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EGGD
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RE: Does This Thing Really Fly?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 3:39 am

Not that odd!!! It does fly, but thats about all the information I can give you  Smile.

There are odder planes... built in Russia (like the he-man type one, lol).
 
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RE: Does This Thing Really Fly?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 4:00 am

I thought they were French. ??
 
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RE: Does This Thing Really Fly?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 4:06 am

Hmmm.........That looks like an Airbus A317! Big grin
 
jfktowerfan
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RE: Does This Thing Really Fly?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 4:11 am

If an A-10 warthog came in a passenger version this would be it! Big grin
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RE: Does This Thing Really Fly?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 4:24 am

I think TAT was one of the few airlines that actually bought the darned thing. And Cimber Air, if my memory serves me... Speaking of strange looking planes, the Boeing YC-14 military STOL was no beauty!
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RE: Does This Thing Really Fly?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 4:44 am

Yes indeed, the delightful VFW 614.
 
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RE: Does This Thing Really Fly?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 4:52 am

I understand that the engines were mounted above the wing to keep the undercarriage to a short, solid design so that the aircraft could be used in rough environments.

Innovative stuff but only around 20 were put together. Saw brief service as a regional jet but not very successful and the few that survived ended up with the Luftwaffe or as experimental aircraft (monitoring of exhaust, for example).
 
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RE: Does This Thing Really Fly?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 4:54 am

Yah! Put big enough engines on anything and it'll fly!

Kidding...

Cheers!  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Does This Thing Really Fly?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 5:07 am

Dornier is using this aircraft as a test platform for the Do728 Fly By Wire system.

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RE: Does This Thing Really Fly?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 5:37 am

Are the overwing engines a hinderance to maintenance?

What about evacuation? The shadow of the engine is on the exit, so I assume it's a bit squishy getting out!
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RE: Does This Thing Really Fly?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 5:47 am


Hi!

Good to review this unique airplane. It was not a common one in US skies I presume and I'm sure most of the young generation spotters are quite surprised with this aircraft. But for some of us this airplane was quite popular in Europe during the 70's and 80's. German Air Force used them as a VIP aircraft so I remember seeing them quite often in Lisbon carrying VIP's, civil and military. Good to see a nice picture of it here!
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japanguy
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RE: Does This Thing Really Fly?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 6:04 am

I put a model of a NW A320 together like this by accident once.... Pretty funny look.
 
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RE: Does This Thing Really Fly?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 6:14 am

What about the emergency procedures of the overwing exit?

Couldn't you be hurt with that engine next to the exit?
 
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RE: Does This Thing Really Fly?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 6:20 am

One of the early RJ's. Cimber Air was the only one that I remember seeing in airline colors. I checked one of my old books and said it held 44 pax at 4 abreast seating. When I was a kid this was one of my favorite planes, along with the L-1011, I hoped that an American carrier would buy them so I could get a chance to fly one, none did and neither did I.

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VFW 614

Tue Jul 09, 2002 7:44 am

Hardly "successful", only 19 were built and of those, most were bought back in the years following the cancellation of the program and scrapped to avoid having to support the aircraft later. 3 survive w/the Luftwaffe (although I cannot say if they have flown recently), one with Dornier and at least two are in storage in Copenhagen and possibly airworthy. Apparantly the aircraft performed well and was reasonably efficient given that it was a product of the early 70s.

I have heard that not all 19 were ever delivered to their customers with some airframes being scrapped before delivery. I guess the world was not ready for a regional jet in 1974.
 
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RE: Does This Thing Really Fly?

Tue Jul 09, 2002 4:03 pm

At some stage there were plans to licence production of the aircraft to Romania in the old Ceaucescu days. As has been pointed out earlier in this thread, the way the engines were mounted made the VFW 614 suitanble for short and rough runways, and that meant looking closely at the Eastern European markets.
But I still maintain she´s a beauty compared to the Boeng YF-14, with its engines mounted on top of the wings, and extending almost to the nose of the airplane!

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RE: Does This Thing Really Fly?

Fri Jul 12, 2002 4:29 pm

The 3 Luftwaffe VFW were sold to Muk Air. After Muk Air's demise, they are now stored at Copenhagen. Last info I had on them was, they were to be converted as freighters for DAT (Danish Air Transport). Sad thing, I would barf my guts out if I ever see this plane with DAT's "Lego" livery.

The placement of the engines on top of the wing was done to ensure the capability of the VFW614 to operate from rough and unprepared strips (lower ingestion risk for debris and dust compared to underwing or tail-mounted). Just think why a DC-9 has ALWAYS to taxi with flaps 15 (YES, to prevent the engines ingesting something what does them no good). Also, a collateral effect of this was significant noise reduction.

The VFW TechRep mentioned is owned by the DLR (the german aeronautics and astronautic center) and is part of their "airborne simulator" program. The aircraft is part of their ATTAS program(Advanced Technology and Training Airborne Simulator). Throughout the years, it was used to test the flight dynamics and train test crews for almost all Airbus planes(A320, 330,340, 319, 318) and also some others.

To the folks bashing the VFW 614 being "hardly successful" or a constructional fauxpas - IT IS NOT!!!! The reasons why the project failed:

-the oil crisis
-Marketing of the plane was Fokker's responsibility, and Fokker did everything to bring the VFW down, since it was concurrency to their own F-27 and the F-50
-lower demand for RJ's in these years(the VFW came just 20 years too early on the market)
-the Governments of the countries participating in the project (Germany and the Netherlands) refused further re-financing when they concentrated on the airbus project instead.

for more infos:

http://www.dlr.de
http://www.vfw614.de

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RE: Does This Thing Really Fly?

Fri Jul 12, 2002 5:37 pm

This is the one LZ-TLT is reffering to:


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