AASTEW
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How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Wed Jul 10, 2002 1:24 am

Just curious to see how many Flight Attendant's on this site. Would like to ask questions of both union and non-unioned f/a's concerning wages and work rules.

I started as a Flight Attendant at Valujet Airlines in October, 1995. Now I'm an American Airlines Flight Attendant. Been at AA since '96 loving every bit of it.

AASTEW@LGA
 
skyhawk
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Wed Jul 10, 2002 2:17 am

Do you count retired F/A's in your questions? As others here know I stopped flying with PanAm's demise in 1991. Our rules were probably very similar to what you have to deal with today. You know, hair a certain way(especially when serving), certain shoes, skirts no shorter than a specified length, etc. I hope you continue to enjoy your chosen field and have a long and prosperous career with nothing but clear skies. Best of luck.
 
meechy36
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Wed Jul 10, 2002 2:20 am

I started with Eagle in 1987 and made the cutover to AA in 1997. Like it here a lot. I feel the company is pretty secure, even post Sept 11th and 587. I think we have a way to go but in the long run we'll regain our past glories, LOL


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KLM-MD11
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Wed Jul 10, 2002 7:31 pm

hello AA-stew,

no fa myself but would like to ask you some questions.

pls contact me at williamdriessen@yahoo.com


regards,

KLM-MD11
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lmml 14/32
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Wed Jul 10, 2002 7:56 pm

AirMalta FA. 24 year experience. Operated on B720b, B707, B727 (100/200), B737 (200-500 and 700), A320/321/319, A310, Avro RJ70 and BAe ATP.
 
NG737PSR
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Wed Jul 10, 2002 9:39 pm

Excel Airways F/A 16yrs experience have operated on B727-200, B737-200, B737-300, B737-800, B757-200, B767-200 and B767-300.
 
airman99o
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Wed Jul 10, 2002 11:09 pm

Hey there,
Flight Attendant with SkyService Airlines for the past year and a half. Love every minute of it. I am qualified to fly the A-319, A-320, A-330, and the B-727.

Airman99o
Safety is Everyones Responsibility.
 
corsairf/a
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Wed Jul 10, 2002 11:19 pm

I am a cabin crew for Corsair qualified on B747/B737/A330. I did start in the army in 1993 on Falcon 20 and Nord 262 for 2 years, then in 1995 worked for Corsair and left in 1997to AF on the European network (B737/A320/A321), then quit the airline for a cople of year and came back to Corsair since april 2000.
 
AF Cabin Crew
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Wed Jul 10, 2002 11:22 pm

Bonjour all...

I am cabin attendant for Air France have been flying for them for 6 years on Boeing 747-100/200/300/400, Boeing 767-300, Boeing 777-200, Boeing 737-300/500, Airbus A300-B4, A320-100/200, A310-200/300, A330-200, A340-200/300. Many aircrafts but I made a list of all the aircraft I flew on. These days I mainly fly on the 777-200 with the 747-400 second and A340-300 last... I have been working for British Midland, easyJet as well as GB Airways before joining AF and I started my carrier 9 years ago with the French Air Force as a cabin attendant on their DC-8 and A310-300.
I am based in Paris and am part of a union.
I will soon leave the paris base to join the Tahiti base flying 747-400 only, to LAX and CDG from PPT.

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew.


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MD-11er
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Thu Jul 11, 2002 12:39 am

Hi All,

I have been working for SABENA for 5 years on:
B737/200-300-400-500
B747/300
A340/200-300
A330/200-300
MD-11

Now sinve June flying for SN BRUSSELS AIRLINES on:
A330/300

 
lmml 14/32
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Thu Jul 11, 2002 12:41 am

Hi AF CabinCrew: What's this about an AF base in PPT?
 
Jmc777
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Thu Jul 11, 2002 1:01 am

Hi ev1,

Psr with JMC Airlines, 10 years experience, started with Caledonian Airways, then joined Flying Colours Airlines in 1998 working the AML Contract, the companies merged to form JMC and transferred back in March this year. Have worked on A320, B757-200, B757-300, L1011, DC10-30, A330-200 & B777-200. Still luv the job !!
 
AF Cabin Crew
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Thu Jul 11, 2002 1:06 am

Bonjour all...

Hi LML14/32, Yes, AF has 3 overseas cabin crew base. One in Tahiti, one in the French West Indies and finally one in Noumea that will close down in March 2003.
Air France has inherited the PPT and NOU base when they merged with UTA French Airlines.
AF employs 92 something cabin crew in Tahiti.

If you have anymore questions, please ask.

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew.


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fly_emirates
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Thu Jul 11, 2002 1:10 am

Emirates airlines here

started late 1996  Smile
 
AA767400
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Thu Jul 11, 2002 1:24 am

American stew here, based in JFK.
"The low fares airline."
 
Jetstreamer
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Thu Jul 11, 2002 2:25 am

I've got three years flying experience with Virgin Atlantic on the B747-400 and A340-300. I look forward to flying on the A340-600 very soon.
 
rootsgirl
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Thu Jul 11, 2002 2:47 am

Currently working for Skyservice, Canadian carrier.

Previously worked for Saudia and Worldways. Have qualified on DC-8 63, B-707, B747-SP, 100, 368 & 400, L-1011, B-727, Airbus A300, 319, 320 & 330.

Love my job and always will! Safe Skies - Cheers!
 
c3000flyboy
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Thu Jul 11, 2002 3:26 am

Been an F/A for 3 years:

Canada 3000 (2 years to the day, Company Bankrupt) B757-200, A320-200, A330-200, A319
Skyservice (6mnth YVR contract, Base closed) A320-200, A319
Kelowna Flightcraft Air Charter Ltd. (Currently) B727-200

Still loving it!

Happy flying

Marshall Bowman
Emergency! Keep your head down, stay down!!
 
gr8slvrflt
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Thu Jul 11, 2002 10:17 pm

How ya'll doin? I had eight years flying with Eastern. Thought I left that life behind but I'm back. Seven months with AirTran....I love it! It beats working!
I work for Southwest, but the views expressed are my own and do not necessarily represent those of Southwest.
 
Flying Belgian
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Fri Jul 12, 2002 12:49 am

Former SN F/A on Boeing 737-200/300/400/500 & Airbus A319/320/321.

Then I switched to DAT which later became SN Brussels Airlines flying on RJ85/100 and BAe146.

Hope to start with A330-300 soon.

FB.
Life is great at 41.000 feet...
 
AASTEW
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Fri Jul 12, 2002 1:01 am

Thanks everyone for the responses!

Mostly foreign carrier flight attendant's on this site. Do many of the foreign carrier's have flight attendant unions? Please share distinct work rules that you think are different from other carriers. For example, at AA we have rotating reserve and separate domestic/international divisions. I would also like to know the starting and top pay at your carrier. How is seniority determined in training?

I will be leaving on a 3day trip today. With layovers in MCO and DEN. If anybody is in those cities please contact me @ mbellfa@hotmail.com. Take care and fly safe!

AASTEW@LGA



 
swaluvfa
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Fri Jul 12, 2002 2:49 am

I started in April 2001 as a United Airlines Flight Attendant, but then after 9/11, I was furloughed and got hired by Southwest thinking that UAL would be years before calling back. After just one month after I resigned from UAL to go to SWA, they called all of the Flight Attendants back to the line. Although I love my job at Southwest and I am very proud to be apart of the company, I miss United because they are the first airline that made my dream come true. Luckily I left on great terms with UAL and have a wonderful letter of recomendation from them, so one day I will return to "The Friendly Skies!"  Smile But for now, I'm LUVIN those LUVjets!  Smile
 
aussiestu
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Fri Jul 12, 2002 6:49 am

Count me in. 12 years flying for the worlds favourite and still LOVE it. As a message to AF CABIN CREW........i want your job based in PPT. Now that would be great great fun. Tell us all about it. This jobs certainly beats working for a living. Safe flying to all!!!!!!!
 
ATL2CDG
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Fri Jul 12, 2002 7:45 am

2 1/2 years with ASA/Delta Connection in ATL.

Qualified on CRJ200, CRJ700, ATR-72 and EMB-120.

Looking to go major when things pick up again.
Ignorantia juris neminem excusat.
 
flyua
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Fri Jul 12, 2002 5:43 pm

Hullo! I'm working through year 7 with Unitedout here by the Bay in SFO, hired on at the beginning of 1996. Although I enjoy complaining about United's 50+ year-seniority Flight Attendants who still manage to hang on with us, I love this crazy job so much I fully intend to become one of them! (That is, as long as this industry and my company intend to stick around!) The main reason I love this job, even more than the layovers in Hawaii and Sydney: my coworkers!!

AASTEW: thank you for starting off this post. I am happy to see how many European crew are following along, and I too would love to hear about their seniority issues, pay scales, and company/union gripes. ...I know there are other websites that specialize in F/A "gossip," but I still prefer to come home to airliners.net!

SWALUVFA: Get your tail back over here a.s.a.p.! I'm so sorry to hear you'd accepted the Southwest offer and turned down United one month before the massive recall. I do hope you continue to enjoy the LUVing experience, but don't build too much seniority over there that you consider staying away from us! There's a -400 main deck Business galley position just waiting for you to be juniored into it (tee hee)!! I hope to see you again in United Blue very very soon.

Cabin Crew from Europe: please post again soon!



 
SQ772
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Fri Jul 12, 2002 6:07 pm

I am not a cabin crew, but I am interested to learn about the training that various airlines put you guys and girls through...

I am aware that all cabin crew go through two kinds of training: safety and evacuation skills, and passenger handling skills. I also read somewhere that trainee FAs on American carriers usually spend about 1 week on service training, and the rest of their time on safety and evacuation skills.

1) I would like to know how much emphasis does your airline (American or non-American carriers) place on the 2 skills? Is it:

50% safety :50% service,
10% service: 90% safety
0% service : 100% safety etc...?

2) How many months did it take all of you to become full-fledged cabin crew?

3) How did your airline instill the importance of good service in you?
There's always a better way to fly...
 
flyua
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Fri Jul 12, 2002 9:55 pm

Dear SQ772:

Here are one F/A's answers to your questions--

1) Out of seven weeks of live-in training at United's Chicago headquarters (5 days per week of classroom training, 1 day per week of on-the-airplane work), only ONE week was purely devoted to safety training. While that one week was very intensive, high-stress (we all wanted to pass, and were expected to test with 100% accuracy), and taught by absolutely outstanding Flight Attendant-Instructors, it was still only one week. Our job is usually -- hopefully always -- focused on service, yet our safety-related skills must kick-in immediately if called upon. I felt that far more of my training time should have been devoted to perfecting our "safety sense," especially when it came to dealing with emergency first aid response and what to listen/watch/even smell for when one expects an in-flight "abnormality," be it mechanical or human. ...In short order, all United Flight Attendants will receive self-defense and additional "hostage" training. This is much-anticipated, and I hope it lives up to the billing! Finally, I had also wished that more of our safety training could have been learned and practiced in coordination with our flight crews. We never once had the chance to meet with our pilots during our safety training! Interesting, huh?

2) After successful completion of the seven-week initial training, we are considered probationary Flight Attendants by both our company and our union for our first six months of flying experience. During that time we are scrutinized by management's Onboard Service Department supervisory staff by means of "check-rides" where a supervisor will join us for a flight and grade us on everything from posture and composure to, well, posture and composure. (At least, this is where I feel their emphasis is placed... wrongly placed!) Monthly meetings with a supervisor include little "tests" of our knowledge of the all-important Flight Attendant Manual of rules and regs and general "measurings of our attitutudes." If you should happen to be late for a flight or even ...heaven forbid!... come down with a case of the sniffles, just remember this: while on probation at United, TWO STRIKES and you'rrrrrre OUT! It can be a stressful half-year... if you let it be!

3) Short answer to this one: as you can imagine, in large part through FEAR. Longer answer: one quickly learns that United's initial Flight Attendant training program is run a bit like a military boot camp... it just happens to include mandatory "grooming and make-up application" classes! ...The fear factor notwithstanding, the desire to perform at one's best is also -far more effectively- learned through meeting and working with many Flight Attendants already out on the line who can serve as wonderful, caring, supportive role-models. When I started flying, I would observe and critique all those I worked alongside. I remembered the little techniques, the "tricks of the trade, so-to-speak, and I copied the ones that got the best results out in the aisle, and in the galley. That was the best way for me (for all, I think!) to learn the hows and whys of good service. In my opinion, results are never good when fear is the overriding motivation. (On a quick side note, I think this helps explain the attitude and "tenor" of our union's communications with our company's management. It helps in an explanation... it's not THE explanation!)
 
CactusCMH
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Fri Jul 12, 2002 10:21 pm

Hi Flyua,
Thanks for telling us your FA experience. I would like to be a FA too, and I have lots of questions I would like to ask you. Would you mind if we can exchange e-mails? My email address is dskung2002@yahoo.com. Thanks and looking forward to hear from you!

Dave
 
SQ772
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Fri Jul 12, 2002 11:15 pm

Thanks flyua for the detailed explaination.

Now, what about FAs of other non-American carriers? Is your training any different from those that your American counterparts experienced? Is there always the "fear" factor? I know for a fact that the "fear" factor is de rigour for SQ's FA throughout their flying career, not just during the months on probation...
There's always a better way to fly...
 
rootsgirl
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Fri Jul 12, 2002 11:54 pm

The airline that I work for requires you to write 3 safety exams and 1 final safety exam. You must obtain 90% to pass. We devote 4 weeks to safety and 2 days to service. Safety consists of the FAM Manual - Flight Attendant Manual, which is standardized by Ministry of Transport and in Canada CARS.

It's tough, especially if it's the first time someone has worked as an f/a, there are times when you say " I just can't do this", but then you do it, and you graduate and it was more than worth it.
 
Jmc777
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Sat Jul 13, 2002 2:50 am

With regard to exams and such.......

From a JMC (soon to be Thomas Cook Airlines UK) point of view:

I believe the initial course to be 6 weeks, comprising of safety and aviation medicine exams, along with a number of assessments for cabin service and delivery. There is also CRM (Crew Resource Management), Conflict Management, Restraint Training, Fire Procedures, ditching, Aircraft Evacuation, Company Background, Aircraft Information and Paperwork.

As each Airline has different approaches to things, so course lengths differ. For example, when the JMC/AML contract finished with BA, some of us transferred over to JMC. After operating under the BA AOC, and having all our SEP (Safety & Equipment Procedures) exams performed at Cranebank for BA, we had to undergo intensive retraining for JMC. In 10 days we got through A320, B757-200 & B757-300. Those 10 days include all the additions mentioned above and sometimes lasted from 6am to 8pm.

One thing I am certain of is that Safety of customers and crew was absolutely paramount and attributed to more than 70% of the course content. (IMO)

 
blink182
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Sat Jul 13, 2002 4:41 am

This one is for the females-
Which do you prefer working in: Skirts or pants?

Also, for anybody, what was the toughest part of training(other than passing)?

Do they have classes on how to deal with the passenger who doesn't cooperate?(meaning the guy who doesn't put his seat back straight or "Mr. Platinum" who thinks he is above everybody)

blink
Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
 
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Sat Jul 13, 2002 5:31 am

Ex Flight Attendant with Wardair Canada Ltd and Worldways Canada ltd.
Was qualified on B-747-100/200, DC-10-30, A310-300, DC-8-63, L-1011-100
and B-727-100.

Also flew as an F/A for Columbia Airlines. Was the head stew on board flight 409 when aircraft suffered mid-air collision with a small plane. Our Captain badly injured, our FO sucked out at flight level 35. I had no choice but to sit in the Captains seat and fly the B-747-100 to alternate emergency destination of Salt Lake City. Luckily, Charlton Heston was lowered into our
cockpit, and he landed the plane safely. Celebrity pax on board flight 409 included Gloria Swanson, Myrna Loy, Sid Caesar and Linda Blair, who was en-route to LAX for a kidney transplant. Thank GOD!, she made it!
 
travatl
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Sat Jul 13, 2002 5:34 am

Hey AASTEW - I started with ValuJet in December 1995. (Am still with AirTran). Where were you based? I was originally based in ATL, but then TDY-based to BOS until the crash, when I came back to ATL.

Our new hires start at $19.40/hr for the first six months and then go to $20.26 for the next six months (I think, don't have the contract in front of me). There is a 4% annual increase on your hire date, as well as 4% cost of living increase across the board every October. (It sure beats the old ValuJet pay rates - remember segment pay? ugh.) We're seeking an "A" scale with our new contract which is due in September. Company has been very receptive so far...we shall see. Current top out is $26.75/hr at five years (I know that sucks - but when we signed the contract, the airline was only 4 years old). Draft pay is +25%, and A.T.S. pay is +30%. Our daily guarantee is 4 hours. The contract is actually a very decent one for a first contract, should however see a LOT of improvements with the next one.

Hope AA is well. I worked there 93-95 in ABQ, and the ski stations in Colorado (DRO, GUC, EGE). Thought ValuJet would be the new Southwest, and AA SUCKED at the time, so headed on over....if only I'd had a crystal ball ...oh well....in the long run....it's been great (I'm in the top 10% of senority with only seven years under my belt...how many flight attendants can say that?)

Travis
 
swaluvfa
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Sat Jul 13, 2002 5:38 am

Flyua-

Thank you so much for your nice words on wanting me back at UAL!  Smile Don't worry, I will be back before you know it! United was the first airline to make my dream come true and I will be back there RIGHT when they open up the training center again. No matter how much senority I have here at SWA, United will always be in my heart! I will see you in that 744 business galley! And by the way, funny you said that because my second trip EVER with UAL, they called me for airport sit at IAD and assigned me a LHR trip on the 747 and guess what happened?!?!? THEY JUNIORED ME INTO THE BUSINESS GALLEY!!  Smile
 
Cessnapimp
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RE: How Many Flight Attendants On Here?

Sat Jul 13, 2002 7:15 am

Hello y'all,

I was with Air Transat for a short while a few years back and I've been missing it terribly. Just got hired at Air Canada 2 months ago. Love it. Sure beats working as some of you said.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Cheers,
Grégoire

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