flyboy80
Posts: 1816
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2001 8:10 am

Boston's Logan, Who's Hubs Are There?

Wed Jul 10, 2002 10:51 pm

Hey, I was looking at pictures of Boston's Logan airport and it occurred to me that Delta, American, United, and Us Airways all have a pretty substantual operation there. Where do they all fly. Is BOS considered a hub for any of them, I was pretty sure it was for Delta and American. What Internationl routes are flown by these airlines out of Boston? And what airlines are there partners there, in terms of where groud service is provided, or even passenger service, It seemed that AA used to provide it for Canadian Airlines. Any other comments are welcome.
Thanks
Brian
 
prosa
Posts: 5389
Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2001 3:24 am

RE: Boston's Logan, Who's Hubs Are There?

Wed Jul 10, 2002 11:07 pm

BOS is not technically a hub for any airline. You could argue that it's sort of a quasi-hub for DL and AA, however. Sort of like AA at JFK.
"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
 
Tbird
Posts: 801
Joined: Wed Oct 31, 2001 3:09 am

RE: Boston's Logan, Who's Hubs Are There?

Wed Jul 10, 2002 11:14 pm

Greetings:

None of those airlines consider Boston a Hub a focus city yes. Boston is a huge market both for biz and tourists so it would be only natural to see large scale operations from Boston. The same holds true for LGA, AA, Delta, and Us Airways have large scale ops from LGA but don't consider it a hub. I don't thin Boston could support a hub not with congestion and the existing infrastructure.

Thanx
Tom
 
dutchjet
Posts: 7714
Joined: Sat Oct 14, 2000 6:13 am

RE: Boston's Logan, Who's Hubs Are There?

Thu Jul 11, 2002 12:43 am

BOS is a focus city for several airlines, due to its large O & D traffic, but not a hub for any of the major carriers.......aside from limitations at Logan, BOS's geographic location is a problem, sitting in the Northeast corner of the US, it is not well suited for hub operations.

Over the years, lots of airlines have had a strong presence at Logan, from Northeast and Eastern in the past to American and Delta now. Delta has come closest to creating a mini-hub at BOS, and was beginning to open up european routes out of BOS......but 9/11 upset those plans and recently DL cancelled its BOS-LGW flight.

As an aside, its interesting that NW and BN, at seperate times, each tried to open up a transatlantic gateway out of BOS; BN had 3 or 4 747 flights per day to European cities out of BOS at one time, but the experiment failed. NW tried service to several Scandic cities out of BOS for a short time and also did not succeed, but atleast its BOS-AMS service remains.
 
blink182
Posts: 5273
Joined: Mon Oct 18, 1999 3:09 am

RE: Boston's Logan, Who's Hubs Are There?

Thu Jul 11, 2002 1:18 am

Out of AA and DL, which airline is the biggest at BOS? I think AA serves both LHR and CDG out of Boston, and I think it could only be a matter of time before Frankfurt or Zurich is added.

Also, I will be in the Northeast on vacation in about a month, and I will be in Boston. I am flying AA there, so what is the AA terminal at Logan like?

blink
Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
 
deltairlines
Posts: 6876
Joined: Mon May 24, 1999 4:47 am

RE: Boston's Logan, Who's Hubs Are There?

Thu Jul 11, 2002 2:01 am

Well, everyone seems to be forgetting US Airways. Here is the BOS breakdown"

Most flights: American (140, 83 Eagle 57 Mainline), then US, then DL...(UA is a distant fourth with 45, the rest have 100+)
Most destinations: American/US Airways (I believe both have 31, but U has been doing a lot of tinkering at BOS)
Most passengers carried: Delta (DL has over 25% of the market)

AA does indeed serve both LHR and CDG from BOS. I don't think ZRH is on the radar, as we have Swiss (AA codeshares on BOS-ZRH) and a new MUC A340 which is close to ZRH. FRA is underserved (1 A340 in the winter, 2 in the summer), so either AA or DL might come in on that route.

As for BOS, the AA terminal is nice. It is always packed, but it is very clean. It was just renovated a few years ago. As for viewing aircraft operations and using binoculars/cameras/etc. THAT IS A NO-NO AT BOS!!! What happens varies, but they might make you destroy your film (erase digipics), put away your binoculars, and take your notebook for tailnumbers away from you. If you not there with a "reason" they will kick you out and give you a trespass file, which means you can only go to BOS if you have (as the state trooper said to me) a "reason" for being there, like dropping off pax or flying. Unfortunately, BOS has gone downhill from being a spotter-friendly airport to being an anti-spotting machine. For more info on this, visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bostonloganintlairport. We are launching a campaign (Led by me) against the anti-spotting behaviour there, and we could use the help.

Jeff/now MHT
 
SESGDL
Posts: 2614
Joined: Sat Jan 13, 2001 6:25 am

RE: Boston's Logan, Who's Hubs Are There?

Thu Jul 11, 2002 2:54 am

Delta is the largest by passengers and mainline flights.
 
blink182
Posts: 5273
Joined: Mon Oct 18, 1999 3:09 am

RE: Boston's Logan, Who's Hubs Are There?

Thu Jul 11, 2002 4:28 am

DeltAirlines- I was only going to be at BOS when I fly in and out of the region.
Are photos from the terminal illegal/discouraged?

thanks,
blink
Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
 
meechy36
Posts: 299
Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2001 10:55 pm

RE: Boston's Logan, Who's Hubs Are There?

Thu Jul 11, 2002 5:09 am

When we go to pick up family members, we park on the roof of the Terminal B parking garage and no one ever bothers us up there. I've let the kids take pics with the digital and once again no one cares. To get there from the terminal just take an elevator to the top floor and when you step outside you are on the roof. Pretty good for watching everything at Logan, except for the International Terminal, E

Mike-BOS
 
deltairlines
Posts: 6876
Joined: Mon May 24, 1999 4:47 am

RE: Boston's Logan, Who's Hubs Are There?

Thu Jul 11, 2002 5:39 am

Yes, photos are discouraged. Massport's official policy right now is that they don't want us there, although hopefully through our efforts that will change (I doubt it, but it's worth a shot). It is not illegal to take photos, but some state troopers might not know that and hence say it is illegal. However, if someone calls you in, which could happen, a state trooper will investigate, and then tell you not to come back or you'll be arrested.

Mike - spotting from the B garage is rarely done in the aviation community anymore unfortunately. Since mASSport put up those signs saying "No Loitering" people have been kicked out of that location and sent packing. Even if you were there for a reason (picking up people), sometimes the troopers will take it into their own hands.

I do have a letter I will be sending to Craig Coy, the CEO of Massport, within the next week. We are also thinking about doing a group petition and putting it online for a spotters spot or a favourable official policy.

Jeff