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Boeing's Project Yellowstone

Fri Jul 12, 2002 3:44 pm

I have recently heard talk about a Project Yellowstone that is being developed by Boeing concurrently to their Sonic Cruiser. What is it? Is it a new plane? According to this week's Flight International, British Airways is apparently expressing more enthusiasm for this project than for the Sonic Cruiser, but does anybody here actually know anything about it? Very curious!
 
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RE: Boeing's Project Yellowstone

Fri Jul 12, 2002 3:58 pm

The Sonic Cruiser and Project Yellowstone are one in the same. Yellowstone was the early name for the project.
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RE: Boeing's Project Yellowstone

Fri Jul 12, 2002 4:02 pm

No they aren't the same. Yellowstone is a "conventional" 250-seater incorporating new technology to reduce operating costs, not increase speed.
 
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RE: Boeing's Project Yellowstone

Fri Jul 12, 2002 4:08 pm

Is it that blended wing plane?
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RE: Boeing's Project Yellowstone

Fri Jul 12, 2002 4:22 pm

No, Yellowstone a "conventional" plane, like a 767. It's really being used as a "benchmark" against the Sonic Cruiser.

In other words, Boeing is asking: "How economical could we make a conventional airliner using the same technology and materials as the Sonic Cruiser?"

Some of the airlines, like BA, have told Boeing they would rather have "Yellowstone" than the Sonic.

The Blended Wing Body (BWB) is something entirely different, being worked on by Boeing's Phantom Works. This concept was inherited from McDonnell Douglas.
 
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RE: Boeing's Project Yellowstone

Fri Jul 12, 2002 4:41 pm

Thanks Bells for clearing that up!

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RE: Boeing's Project Yellowstone

Fri Jul 12, 2002 5:15 pm


When the SC was first talked about, it was referred to as "Yellowstone", then "Sonic Cruiser". Now, "Yellowstone" refers to a conventional-speed plane.

 
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RE: Boeing's Project Yellowstone

Fri Jul 12, 2002 5:19 pm

In which case, does anybody have details of the Yellowstone plane?
 
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RE: Boeing's Project Yellowstone

Fri Jul 12, 2002 9:39 pm

I've been to Yellowstone Park in Wyoming....it was beautiful!

Does that help.......:D

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RE: Boeing's Project Yellowstone

Fri Jul 12, 2002 10:15 pm

Airlines are forcing Boeing from Sonic Cruiser to Yellowstone.

762/753 appear to be no killers. Boeing better reacts or Airbus will come in with a state-of the art efficient medium A330/310/767 replacement.

And then Boeing is in deep problems...

A320 series, A330-200, 340-5/600 and A380 are excellent aircraft, however a short/medium 200-250 seater is missing.
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RE: Boeing's Project Yellowstone

Sat Jul 13, 2002 4:17 pm

Although I saw somewhere that Airbus is also looking to develop a medium range 250 seater plane, thereby providing the full range of plans to airlines.

But does anybody know what the specifications of Yellowstone actually are?
 
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RE: Boeing's Project Yellowstone

Sun Jul 14, 2002 8:33 am

The Yellowstone name was mentioned in the first announcement of the Sonic Cruiser. At the time, Yellowstone was neither the Sonic Cruiser nor its conventional counterpart. The relevant paragraph is:

The sonic cruiser also is called the "faster airplane" and does not have an official name yet. It was brought forth by Boeing's new airplane product development group under the "20XX" project, which has been collecting a toolbox of configuration, manufacturing, systems and other technologies during the last five years to be ready for a new airplane when the market is right. Some press reports referred to the sonic cruiser as "Yellowstone," but Bair said this is "a piece of technology" in 20XX and not the new design.

AW&ST's web site has the article at http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/autonomy_samples/autonomysuggest/autosuggest.jsp?docid=87961&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aviationnow.com%2Fcontent%2Fpublication%2Fawst%2F20010402%2Favi_news.htm

 
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RE: Boeing's Project Yellowstone

Sun Jul 14, 2002 12:23 pm

The magazine I read today (forgot the name, British though) had a very honost in depth feature about both the A-380 and the Sonic Cruiser.

The magazine article who's author seemed to have a very reliable contact within Boeing mentioned the aircraft we call Sonic Cruiser may be called the 808, the 808 would represent a new generation of technology and aircraft similar to the 707. Also 808 is a lucky number amongst many Asian cultures.

This would also leave a 787 and 797 series to continue along the lines of more conventional aircraft. They mentioned a Super economical aircraft to replace both the 737 and 757 lines, this is probably what people are calling the Yellow Stone project. This is about 10 years from entering service.

Another interesting item mentioned in the article I read today is that many analyst and engineers believe the Sonic Cruiser is actually not a new totally new design, they feel many of the features of the SC were designed for a US Military Stealth aircraft that may or may not exist in some form.
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RE: Boeing's Project Yellowstone

Sun Jul 14, 2002 1:08 pm

It is about time that boeing try to amalgamate the narrow bodies and wide bodies into a contiuous family like Airbus.
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RE: Boeing's Project Yellowstone

Sun Jul 14, 2002 4:29 pm

BWIA 772:

I think it's inevitable that Boeing will have a common cockpit for it's entire family of aircraft. Airbus had the advantage of developing it's narrow body and wide body (minus the A300/310) aircraft within ten years of each other. Boeing on the other hand did not have this luxury.
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