airblue
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Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Mon Jul 15, 2002 7:03 pm

I heard about a new low-cost airline from Norway called Norwegian.
If I'm not wrong they are the old NAS (a BU franchising).
When they start to fly?
On which routes?
Is it their fleet made only by B733 or the still to use Fokker-50?

Thanks for the info.
 
Leo
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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Mon Jul 15, 2002 7:17 pm

Plans are to start in September 2002 on the major Norwegian domestic routes.

The Norwegian Government has already decided to order the government travel office to book all domestic staff travel on the new airline and not on SAS. This in protest against the SAS monopoly on Norwegian domestic routes.

The Norwegian Government failed to interest another European airline to start domestic services in Norway.


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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Mon Jul 15, 2002 7:22 pm

But today do SAS and BU still fly together on the same routes like OSL-SVG/BGO/TRD (a such of strange competition.... Smile)?? or they divided the domestic market like this route to SK, this one to BU.....
 
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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Mon Jul 15, 2002 7:29 pm

I can add that llights will be between Oslo (OSL) - Trondheim, Oslo - Bergen, Oslo - Stavanger, and Oslo - Tromsoe. The company has leased six 733`s, (148 pax in NAS configuration) with prices on the whole ranging som 30 - 60 % below SK fares.

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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Mon Jul 15, 2002 7:32 pm

Not clear to me either, I thought the name Braathens might disappear altogether. Only SAS would survive.

Alternatively the name Braathens might appear on all domestic flights and SAS disappears from domestic routes.

Does anyone from Norway know the answer ??

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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Mon Jul 15, 2002 7:33 pm

They´ve on the whole divided routes between the two carriers (but you´ll earn your SK FF-miles on BU flights and your BU Wing miles on SK flights - not both programs at the same time, though).

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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Mon Jul 15, 2002 7:58 pm

Leo,
Your question came as I was posting. As far as SK an BU are concerned, they will stay to separate entities (not two separate companies) for the foreseeable future. Effective use of the fleet would in my opinion prevent SAS mother to leave Norway to BU. Bear in mind that SK operates several international flights from several Norwegian airports, and these flights often do a stint domestically (say Oslo - Bergen) before they continue abroad from Bergen...
What we will see, is Braathens ground services being swallowed by SAS, and of course, if money is to be saved, BU administration will gradually follow suit. The operative word here is gradual:
In the longer term, why bother with two liveries? So in a few years from now, and even though both BU and SK will deny it today, you may be right: One company, one livery.

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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Mon Jul 15, 2002 8:57 pm

"...This in protest against the SAS monopoly on Norwegian domestic routes.."

So, they protest against their own company? As far as I know the Norweigan government owns a piece of SAS. Also, wasn't it Sterling that they would change to?
 
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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Mon Jul 15, 2002 9:08 pm

CPH-R:

The Norwegian Government has cleary indicated to be very unhappy with the SAS monopoly on domestic Norwegian routes, and has attempted to get other European airlines to start domestic services.

They fear Higher domestic fares, which would be bad for the Norwegian people and their economy, as they are very dependent on airlines for national travel.

Clearly the actions of a broad minded liberal Government, even if they do own part of SAS.
 
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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Mon Jul 15, 2002 9:35 pm

CPH-R,
It´s not a protest, it´s more a question of restoring competition on the Norwegian market. With SAS now controlling, en every sense of the word, both BU and WF, there´s ample room for new players. It´s as simple as that.
And if government and municipal employees can save taxpayers´money by using NAS domestically - where possible -, why not? There is no boycott of SAS at all - indeed, the airline and it´s subsidiaries BU and WF will remain the only company flying on most domestic connections.
As far as Sterling is concerned, it has already become the favoured airline on the OSL - CPH connection by cost cutting public employees. (But of course, SAS flies the connection far more often than NB). And KLM, Lufthansa, BA and others are also free to compete on international connections, regardless of the state´s role as a part owner of SAS. As many state and municipal employees do a lot of travelling both here and abroad, the state should indeed be looking at minimalizing costs.

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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Mon Jul 15, 2002 9:43 pm

An example of this international competition is KLM Cityhopper's opening of the SVG-ABZ route with 2x daily Fokker 70's in competition with SK & BU. Starting 25 August 2002.
 
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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Mon Jul 15, 2002 10:12 pm

But with the Fokker-50 fleet does Norwegian plan to keep SVG-BGO-TRD and routes between minor center like Molde, Kristiansund, Alesund that today they fly in franchising for BU??

 
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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Mon Jul 15, 2002 10:14 pm

and I forgot... any chances to see in the future Norwegian to start some international routes from OSL?? Maybe CPH/ARN/BRU/AMS/CDG??

 
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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Mon Jul 15, 2002 10:39 pm

This is Norways second low cost start-up airline... dont forget color air, which was owned by the shipping line... lasted about 12 months.
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airblue
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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Mon Jul 15, 2002 10:44 pm

Why Color Air ceased its operations after few months??

 
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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Tue Jul 16, 2002 2:34 am

Color Air ceased operations because they went bankrupt! They were loosing a lot of money due to tough competition from both SAS and Braathens.

In my opinion Norwegian has a better chance than Color Air because most domestic routes are now only operated by one carrier, either Braathens or SAS. Before, most routes were served by both SAS and Braathens. So when Norwegian starts flying there will only be two airliens competing, not three as was the case with Color Air.

Also, starting August 1, it is no longer possible to aquire miles on domestic flights, which might make passengers less faithful to SAS and more likely to fly Norwegian.

Anyway, it will be exciting. Norwegian will start operations in the beginning of September. I think September 2. will be the launch date, but that might change.
 
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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Tue Jul 16, 2002 2:51 am

Airblue,BestWestern:
Color Air? Well, too ambitious, and bad planning, maybe even ahead of time. They should've stuck to ships.
And in addition, at the time BU was a bona fide competitor to SK. Imagine, three airlines serving the small town of Aalesund, wing to wing. About 35 000 people live there. At some point they had 12 flights from major cities (and there are not many major cities in a country of 4,5 million!) in and out of town. Can you imagine?
Guess who the loser was? SK`s FFmiles and BU`s Wings program played a major part in strangling an opponent. Today (as of July 1), domestic FF-programs are a thing of the past.
Thing is, after BU's fall and before the coming of NAS, there was no national competition for pax. One way or the other, SAS would get 'em all, through SK, BU or WF.
So NAS does stand a chance, and good luck to them! And to other competitors. (And, by the way, SK is, in my very personal opinion, still the best way to fly - though that too may change shortly as they have announced a new in-flight service program which doesn't seem to -aah - interesting?)

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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Tue Jul 16, 2002 8:11 am

Will NAS continue operating NCL-SVG 2xDaily, or is this not effected at all???
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caravelle
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NAS And NCL-SVG

Tue Jul 16, 2002 3:51 pm

GKirk,
I just spoke to NAS, the bloke answering the phone said that the NCL-SVG connection will continue after Sep. 1, but he wasn´t too sure about the coastal route as it´s a route they fly under contract with BU. (And as you know, SK has its own commuter fleet, even if BU hasn´t, so if the route is upheld, it will probably be SK flying it).
My NAS source was sorry he could´t be of further help, it´s a small company and this week is the week when summer holidays peak here, so nobody in charge was present until later in the day.
One question I asked, which he couldn´t answer, was if the 733s also would be serving Newcastle. They can hardly keep their Fokker 50s for NCL-SVG only.

BTW, SAS today announced they will cut their lowest fares on domestic routes in Norway by 25 per cent from Aug 15. It seems they won´t be sitting idly by, waiting for custumers to choose NAS.

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airblue
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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Wed Jul 17, 2002 12:56 am

So that means Fokker 50s will leave soon??

 
caravelle
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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Wed Jul 17, 2002 5:04 am

Don't really know. If SK/BU decide to drop the coastal route, then there's obviously room for NAS Fokker 50s. It wouldn't do to use B 733s here, too few pax. And, though I didn't find room to mention it in my last post, SK commuters are under scrutiny. What will happen is anybody's guess. So NAS may decide to keep a couple of F 50s, I don't know. I've not heard of disgruntled F 50 pilots, so maybe they'll keep them. But with six 733s on lease, they have to be careful not to spread their resources. I'll keep the forum (those interested) informed.

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RE: Norwegian Routes And Fleet Plans?

Wed Jul 17, 2002 8:41 am

Maybe they could redeploy F50's onto an ex-BU Oslo-NCL route?
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