LeoDF
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British And Air France To Retire Concorde By 2000?

Tue Oct 05, 1999 8:15 am

I was told from a Mexican source that British as well as Air France will retire their Concordes due to costs. Is there any confirmation?
Lloyd Aereo Boliviano
 
AC_A340
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RE: British And Air France To Retire Concorde By 2000?

Tue Oct 05, 1999 8:27 am

No.
 
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RE: British And Air France To Retire Concorde By 2000?

Tue Oct 05, 1999 8:29 am

No.
 
DeltaAir
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RE: British And Air France To Retire Concorde By 2000?

Tue Oct 05, 1999 8:41 am

This is crazy, Both Airlines are producing profits by operating this plane and also have the media publicity of being the only airlines to do this.
 
Ilyushin96M
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RE: British And Air France To Retire Concorde By 2000?

Tue Oct 05, 1999 8:49 am

From what I've heard, the planes will be flying well into the next century. Both British Airways and Air France have undertaken major overhaul projects on the aircraft, along with refitting, to ensure their safe operation at least until 2025.
 
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RE: British And Air France To Retire Concorde By 2000?

Tue Oct 05, 1999 9:04 am

OH! I really hope that BA and Air France don't retire their Concordes! I am thirteen. I really need to get a ride on the Concorde, but I cannot afford $12,000 and I don't think that I would ever pay that. I would rather buy a part of a car. Maybe someday when I am rich and famous. If the airlines keep them until 2025, that means the Concorde will live to be 55? This seems odd. Are you sure?

Jack
 
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RE: British And Air France To Retire Concorde By 2000?

Tue Oct 05, 1999 9:33 am

Mexican sources?!
 
mish1234
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They Will Be In The Air At The 3,2,1 Count Down!

Tue Oct 05, 1999 10:00 am

The Concorde will be airborne at the final count down to the year 2000!!
THey are going to be airborne due to a 2k trip around the world in 14 days in the concorde. The cost of this trip is $30,000 for 1 person!!
YEah its tons but what the heck.. im not on it..THis concorde dont look like Y2k stable to me.
 
LH423
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RE: British And Air France To Retire Concorde By 2000?

Tue Oct 05, 1999 10:29 am

I heard that BA (not sure about AF) was undertaking life-extending reinforcements, to hopefully keep the Concorde around until 2014-5, not 2025. I do like the Concorde much, but I doubt I'll ever be able to fly on them, so spotting will have to do. Long fly the Concorde.

LH423
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tanguy
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RE: British And Air France To Retire Concorde By 2000?

Tue Oct 05, 1999 10:30 am

Methinks there is some rumour mongering going on here. The debts on the Concorde fleet were met by the respective governments and the aircraft are indeed paying there way and handsomely so. Concorde will grace the skies for many years to come as there is nothing yet available to replace this supersonic airliner and it is very much in demand. JWM AIRTRANS you'll get your ride on Concorde yet!
 
LeoDF
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Mexican Sources?

Tue Oct 05, 1999 11:24 am

Sorry William but I am not allowed to tell you which Mexican sources. It just wouldn't be right. Just think that it is someone that works either on British or Air France.
Lloyd Aereo Boliviano
 
David L
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RE: British And Air France To Retire Concorde By 2000?

Tue Oct 05, 1999 9:10 pm

I agree with most of the posts above. BA are refurbishing theirs and, although I believe they no longer use all 7 of theirs, I can't believe Air France would stop using them.

But I got my Concorde trip done last month, just in case .
 
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I'll Buy Every One!

Tue Oct 05, 1999 11:01 pm

If they retire the Concorde I'll be at the scrap yard and will purchase EVERY SINGLE ONE! The major cost of the Concorde was a fixed cost (R&D, Concept, Construction, etc.) The Concordes are still making money for BA & AF. The variable costs are high (Fuel, maintenance etc.) but they are worth the cost. If they are removed from service one could purchase them and still make them profitable. The only way they would cease to be profitable is if some one developes a subsitute product, IE the spaceplane, but as we all know that is a pipe dream and if the concept happens it will be in the mid to late 21st century. Just the view from third year business student.

Peter
 
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Making A Profit?

Tue Oct 05, 1999 11:44 pm

The Concorde handsomely making a profit? Quite the opposite fellas. While the aircraft does make some money for the two carriers, they have to operate them on charters and other special flights all the time to have a chance at making money for them. The true profit makers for BA are the 747-400 and 777-200.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
 
pmk
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RE: Making A Profit?

Tue Oct 05, 1999 11:59 pm

One dollar of profit is one more dollar, period.

Peter
 
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RE: Making A Profit?

Wed Oct 06, 1999 12:06 am

Must we always nit pick? All I was trying to say is that the Concorde does not easily make money for BA and AF. They have to push them very hard. Kind of like a used car salesman pushing a vehicle on his lot.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
 
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RE: British And Air France To Retire Concorde By 2000?

Wed Oct 06, 1999 12:40 am

Sorry guys but the french aviation fan I'am can tell you clearly and surely that the Concordes will be out of service for the year 2010. This is an agreement between the french FAA (DGAC), BA and AF. Maybe they can arrange a few years longer (maybe till 2025) but it is always unofficial. You're right telling that both companies have a very good publicity through this plane but I'm really not sure that they earn money equal if on traditional route or exhibit flights. It's very sad to hear for me too because I toke the Concorde three times and, believe me, the first time is always kept in memory and in my heart, it was absolutely fantastic.
 
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RE: British And Air France To Retire Concorde By 2000?

Wed Oct 06, 1999 9:05 am

Hi-

Does anyone know how much the Concorde initally costed the airlines to purchace?
 
AmtrakGuy
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RE: British And Air France To Retire Concorde By 2000?

Wed Oct 06, 1999 9:18 am

Any chance new concordes will be built??? Is Boeing or anyone doing R&D on it now?

Dave
 
LH423
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RE: British And Air France To Retire Concorde By 2000?

Wed Oct 06, 1999 11:21 am

I believe it was somewhere in the £100 million ($1.6 million) region per airplane! That cost BA around £700 million.

LH423
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Not Earlier Then 2006!

Thu Oct 07, 1999 10:21 pm


Hi! For those who wished to see the Concorde retire in 2000 I have bad news for you! Not earlier then 2006 and at that time we'll see!!! You will have " a lot " of Concorde to be " served " during these few years! For me Concorde will fly more then that!!!
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