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717's For Alaska Airlines? Would It Work?

Wed Jul 17, 2002 5:05 pm

The 717 could be a good replacement for the 732. What do you think?
 
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RE: 717's For Alaska Airlines? Would It Work?

Wed Jul 17, 2002 5:09 pm

Maybe, but Alaska Airlines wants an all 737-fleet.
 
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RE: 717's For Alaska Airlines? Would It Work?

Wed Jul 17, 2002 5:34 pm

No.

The 717 does not have a topside combi configuration available, and it not gravel certified.

I don't think they could land at Dutch Harbor, Alaska either.
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RE: 717's For Alaska Airlines? Would It Work?

Wed Jul 17, 2002 8:10 pm

The 717 does not work as a 732 replacement for Alaska for several reasons, the most important of which is that the 717 is not available in a combi configuration, and certainly not in the "flexible" combi-confirguation of the AS 732s - AS can change the number of seats and cargo-pallets carried in the main cabin almost on demand with the 732; very useful in the Alaska enviornment. Also, the 732s are all equipped with gravel kits which allow them to operate into unpaved and unimproved runways.

AS does want to stay all 737, the 732s will be around for a very long time, long after the MD80s are gone and retired. There is really no replacement at the moment for the 732C - maybe Boeing, at some point, will develop a special version of the 73G specific to Alaska's needs, but the problem with the low-slung CFM engines on the 2nd and 3rd generation 737 remain an issue.
 
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RE: 717's For Alaska Airlines? Would It Work?

Wed Jul 17, 2002 8:39 pm

What's a 732? Links?
 
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RE: 717's For Alaska Airlines? Would It Work?

Wed Jul 17, 2002 8:45 pm

I would think that the 717 doesn't have the range that Alaska needs.

Don't forget, Alaska is more than twice the size of California, Oregon, and Washington combined.
 
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RE: 717's For Alaska Airlines? Would It Work?

Wed Jul 17, 2002 9:01 pm

DPrush. Actually it is shorthand for a Boeing 737-200QC, or Quick Change.

Frequentflyer. Range isn't really an issue, I can get to 80% of the places where I need to go with the medivac Lear I dispatch without having to buy fuel at outstations or having an intermediate stop.
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RE: 717's For Alaska Airlines? Would It Work?

Thu Jul 18, 2002 2:30 am

My guess as for a 732QC replacement would be a 736 QC, which Boeing would have to develop, but if they could get a good enough order for them, it might be worth it. Since AS is looking to maintain one fleet type in the future, they'll probably just get the newest 732s they could and have them modified for QC use.
 
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RE: 717's For Alaska Airlines? Would It Work?

Thu Jul 18, 2002 3:01 am

Just FYI, the code for the B-737-200C is "73M"  Smile
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RE: 717's For Alaska Airlines? Would It Work?

Thu Jul 18, 2002 5:42 am

The FAA has made it pretty clear that if an aircraft isn't already a 'combi' aircraft, it isn't going to be allowed to become one. Even the 737-700C that was being talked about (and has since been dropped), would not have been a changeable combi as the 200 is. It would have had a permanent fixed 'wall' separating cargo/pax compartments. So, Alaska will continue to take very good care of the ones they have, maybe pick up one or two more if they come on the market, and that will be that for some time to come.
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RE: 717's For Alaska Airlines? Would It Work?

Thu Jul 18, 2002 5:52 am

Range isn't really an issue when you consider that the communities might not be that far apart. Thing is its immpossble to build roads out there.
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RE: 717's For Alaska Airlines? Would It Work?

Sun Jul 21, 2002 9:38 am

Searpqx - what's the reasoning behind that FAA regulation? Could you go into a bit more detail, or give me a link please?

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RE: 717's For Alaska Airlines? Would It Work?

Sun Jul 21, 2002 9:48 am

yes it would work! Expecially on routes between california, nevada, Oreogn, and washington, including provinces in Canada, but unfourtunetly Alaska Air group uses Horizon Airlines and there F28/CRJ-700 regional jets for the majority of short range services, and if theres a little to much people for the RJs it goes to Alaska's 73G's and some MD-83s (BTW AS & QX ASSISIT EACHOTHER ON ROUTES AS DO OTHER AIRLINES) because they are fuel effiant enough to fly with lower load factors on those routes while being able to also play with the big boyS on longer heavier competed routes, the 717 just dosn't fit into the Alaska system!!!!
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RE: 717's For Alaska Airlines? Would It Work?

Sun Jul 21, 2002 2:55 pm

Would it work? Yes
Should they get it? No

I think they America West should stick to all 737's after their MD-80's are gone. If anything I think they should invest in a larger aircraft, rather than a smaller one. It seems that all AK flgihts I am on are oversold.

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RE: 717's For Alaska Airlines? Would It Work?

Sun Jul 21, 2002 4:33 pm

VirginFlyer:

I don't know what the actual rule is but it is true.

It is fallout from that SAA crash a few years back where they lost a 747 combi to what is belived to have been a cargo fire.

The FAA since then has really tighted up the rules on hauling freight. Freight now can't stick out from beyond the edges of an igloo, your flats with loads on them have to be covered in pretty expensive fireproof blankets.

It is actually a pain in the ass.

I know a company up here that operates a rather large bush airplane, 19 seats. They wanted it to operate as a 9 seat combi, that way they could fly in hunting parties and their four-wheelers and other bulky gear.

They where able to get a copy of an STC from another operator on the field that flew the same aircraft. The STC involved doign just what the company wanted, and was allready approved in the other operators equiptment. The STC convered mainly installation of smoke detection equiptment and a partion to seperate the passengers from the freight.

Using that data the first company put in for the STC, and where reject. Didn't matter that it was allready approved and in use on another aircraft. So now the first company is at a distinct disadvantage on chartering out aircraft to the other company.

I still haven't figured out what made the installation in company B's aircraft so much safer then the one that was proposed in company A's airplane.
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RE: 717's For Alaska Airlines? Would It Work?

Sun Jul 21, 2002 4:37 pm

I think they America West should stick to all 737's after their MD-80's are gone

Wonderful. Except that America West has never had MD80s. And they are replacing their 737s with Airbuses. And this thread is about Alaska. So your point is......?
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RE: 717's For Alaska Airlines? Would It Work?

Sun Jul 21, 2002 9:53 pm

Excuse me for assuming but I guess he means Alaska and and just got side tracked. I am sure he needed a legend like you to point it out. Thank you. You are so cool.

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