lapper
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CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 12:59 am

OK, Continental Airlines have been charging for alcoholic beverages on internation serives for nearly 3 weeks now. Does anyone have any views on this? Would it affect you travelling CO internationally? Have there been many complaints about it? Do you think other airlines will follow suit?
 
CoAir@IAH
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 1:10 am

I would think that this is for the economy passengers only. Or is that not correct?

Personally, I think that unless you pay for a first class ticket you should be charged for an adult beverage. In my opinion, I would much rather fly an airline that spends the extra money on making the food on the flight better and I belive that is what CO plans on doing with the extra money.

CO meals are already pretty good in coach on INTL routes.
Does anyone know if they have changes since the new policy went into place?

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lapper
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 1:19 am

Yes, it is only for economy class passengers. I'm not aware of any other changes at the moment.
 
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 1:24 am

This new policy is for economy class pax only.....CO now charges for drinks on overseas flights and, in turn, used the "liquor budget" to upgrade the meal services on those flights, which CO believed needed some upgrading. The logic was everyone eats, and only some drink, so the money is better spent on improving the meal services.

I fly CO often on transatlantic and thought that the meal services, in coach, were a bit underwhelming, but no worse than other US or European carriers....have not flown CO transatlantic since the new policy went into effect on 01 July.

Lets see if the other airlines, especially the US carriers, follow this move?
 
KWSea
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 3:22 am

To me, this policy is not a problem. I'm willing to pay for my pre-dinner drinks and get a better meal. What I really dislike is Lufthansa (from what I understand-could be wrong) stopping the pre-dinner drinks service altogether, so you cannot even get one if you want it !

In the end the best is BA or anyone else that still do the dinks-for free !

 
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 3:43 am

This sounds like a case of paying for your drinks and still getting the same old awful meal.
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 5:00 am

even if the meal service doesn't improve, I like this policy. Sitting next to a drunk is bad enough on an hour and a half flight, I can't imagine dealing with an overseas one.
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artsyman
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 5:08 am

Meal service has improved, I was stuck in coach twice this week on longhauls and the meals are considerably better now than before

Jeremy
 
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 5:10 am

well then, two birds with one stone
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:46 am

Delta is planning on charging for alcohol in Economy on selected international flights soon. I believe they will start first with 3 or 4 "heavy drinking" routes such as JFK-SVO and ATL-MAN. Not sure which others but ATL-SNN/DUB may be one as well...
 
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:49 am

Just drink a soda! Geez! Do you really need alcohol THAT bad??

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flashmeister
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 8:40 am

Not sure which others but ATL-SNN/DUB may be one as well...

Propagating stereotypes, huh?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I flew ATL-SNN-DUB in June and the only problem was a guy who patted a FA on the butt when she was trying to close the center bins... but that was before takeoff, and I think he was just a creep -- didn't look drunk.

Pax definitely were not driving the crew nuts with drink requests and getting out of hand.

I personally think that charging for drinks on an int'l flight is a big mistake. When you fly across the pond, there's a certain prestige factor. Printed menus, IFE, etc., and free booze is part of it.
 
iah_ewr
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 9:03 am

It may be a big mistake as far as prestige goes, but airlines are in business to make money. Given the current economic situation, expect to see other airlines implement similar policies. Without these cost-cutting measures, many current airlines simply cannot survive.

Anyway, this makes economic sense...those who want booze can have it, they just have to pay for it. This keeps the non-drinking passengers from having to, in effect, subsidize the alcohol. Also, the additional revenue/cost savings (or at least some of it) is being put back into the food, which affects everybody. If you really have to have a drink, I don't think $4 is going to set you back too much, especially if you can afford to fly overseas.
 
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 10:07 am

Makes sense to me. Maybe those who drink too much and cause problems won't drink as much if the have to pay $4 a drink. When I flew LAX-LIH last year on UA the plane was late arriving from DEN and drinks were free. The lady behind me obviously had too many and was starting to get on my nerves! I have no problem paying $4 a drink because @ altitude it's like having 2.
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 10:07 am

BTW , where is SVO ?
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 11:43 am

SVO = Moscow

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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 11:59 am

I flew from Houston to Gatwick twice recently, once before the change and once after. All I can say is that the food actually got worse....

I for one was very upset at the change. I agree that they are in it for the money and all and that is ok, but when you pay $1500 for a ticket, what is an extra few bucks?

Luckily I have about 40 free drink coupons I have collected over the years!
 
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 4:07 pm

I don't agree with CO charging for drinks.

OK,$4.00 is not much,but in terms of service it takes them to a level of low cost carriers and charter airlines,something CO is not.

Not every pax in economy has paid for a cheap ticket either.

Unless CO have a dirt cheap flight on offer, you won't catch me using them on Trans Atlantic routes again.

Just my 2 cents.

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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 4:30 pm

On charters, here in Europe at least, you´ve had to pay for your drinks for years, and that´s not a problem for most pax. But some people, cheapskates really, buy their own alcohol before boarding, and drink as much as they want onde inside the plane. I know it´s not allowed, but on a packed charter it´s impossible for F/As to see what´s happening until it´s too late, and someone turns nasty.
I´ve never seen this happening on scheduled flights where complementary drinks were served. And in addition, F/As has a certain control as to who gets how much to drink.

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artsyman
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:31 pm

COrocks wrote...
I for one was very upset at the change. I agree that they are in it for the money and all and that is ok, but when you pay $1500 for a ticket

If all passengers were paying 1500 for their ticket, CO wouldnt be charging for drinks, problem is that yields are down. I know that there wasn't talk of charging for drinks pre Sept 11th. I also believe that you will see most of the other US carriers start to charge for drinks soon. I know Delta are about to do it also, and I believe that once the other carriers see them doing it, and doing it without any significant problems, they will join in too.

As far as the food getting worse, I don't understand how you got to that conclusion, I fly CO about 100 longhaul flights per year and while I am not often in coach, I have seen the changes, and the meal is considerably better than before.
 
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:35 pm

Crazy idea.

CO is my last choice transatlantically. I may only have one or maybe two alchoholic drinks on a T/A flight (which I usually do on a full Y ticket), and I will bring my business elsewhere, like AA, UA or DL with better aircraft, more legroom, and a free glass of wine.

Who do CO think they are... Ryanair?
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richardw
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:53 pm

I like a glass of wine with a hot meal, particularly in winter and on a 2.5 hour plus flight, it adds to the enjoyment of the flight and often assists sleeping. Restrict the alcohol and charge those who want a lot of drink, you are either a full service airline or you aren't.
 
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 7:00 pm

European airlines have charged for alcoholic drinks for a long time.
Sometimes wine or beer is free, or you get the first one free, but after that pay up.
Both makes more money available for other things (like better food) and might prevent some people from drinking themselves into oblivion (or air rage), which is a far more important reason IMO.
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caravelle
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 7:14 pm

JWenting, which European airlines are you referring to? BA, LH, SK and even AF have kept me running on pre-dinner GTs, a wine with the meal and brandy or liqueur with the coffee in Y class this year..  Big thumbs up

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artsyman
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RE: CO Charges For Drinks Now

Fri Jul 19, 2002 7:27 pm

bestwestern wrote...and I will bring my business elsewhere, like AA, UA or DL with better aircraft, more legroom, and a free glass of wine.

Better aircraft ? CO has way newer planes than all of them, and other than United, they all have similar fleets. I would say that CO's planes are in better and newer condition than any of the ones you mentioned, and the others are about to charge for alcohol too.

Delta having more legroom ? ha !... please have the decency to admit that you just don't like CO for whatever reason, as the reasons you gave don't make any sense

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