philb
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This Could Happen Here

Sat Jul 20, 2002 2:46 am

Avweb has just settled out of court with Arthur Alan Volk, Aviation Safety Expert, who sued them on a number of bases.

Whilst Avweb themselves went gunning for Mr Volk, one part of his action against them was "that Avweb did not supervise their chat room to prevent libelous comments about him being published by their
subscribers."

Perhaps our Belgian friends who do not like a certain Irish airline and publish unsubstantiated statements about its safety should take serious note, as should the moderators and the site owner.

As I said in the latest Ryanair thread, this forum does not exist in a world of its own and individuals and companies will take action to keep their good names.
 
donder10
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RE: This Could Happen Here

Sat Jul 20, 2002 2:48 am

I have repsect for any airline that gives me a 19 pound stand-up fare from London to Brussels!
 
Greg
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RE: This Could Happen Here

Sat Jul 20, 2002 3:03 am

Actually, it's all true.

Federal and State law provides specific remedy for those making libelous, defamatory, and/or malicious remarks concerning individuals, organizations, and corporations. The fact that a particular site is hosted overseas offers little protection. I am sure that the owners of this site are aware of this.

I think that is why flamebait posts are of particular concern--and the mods have been actively enforcing their removal. It's a smart move.

Can you sue someone for what they say about you over the internet? Yes.
Will they collect damages? Unlikely.

They are basically nuisance suits but nevertheless must be defended.
 
Com3205
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RE: This Could Happen Here

Sat Jul 20, 2002 3:15 am

PhilB
Do you mean we can only say how good Ryanair is or you get sued? The initial text is coming from Germany not from the Airliners.net.
Are you paid by Ryanair?
 
groholsky
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RE: This Could Happen Here

Sat Jul 20, 2002 3:31 am

PhilB,

you have a problem with Belgians ? I can respect that you love Ryanair, but then you should at least understand as you said so nicely that this world is made of different opinions. BTW, I don't think that only in Belgium some people hate Ryanair (see the article in The Telegraaf (Netherlands))...As I can imagine aswell that there are Belgian guys loving Ryanair.

So speaking of maturity....You can maybe also accept different opinions than yours !!!

I don't even want to REstart that old debate...
Ryanair is there and we have to cope with it...that's it !

Good evening all !!!
 
groholsky
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RE: This Could Happen Here

Sat Jul 20, 2002 3:37 am

Belgium could even sue you, PhilB...hahahahaha
 
teva
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RE: This Could Happen Here

Sat Jul 20, 2002 3:38 am

Philb, don't you think our belgian riend are more entitled for such an action, with all the posts we have seen when Sabena collapsed ?????
Pointing a group on a national basis is exactly the type of thing that can end in a legal action.....  Innocent
Ecoute les orgues, Elles jouent pour toi...C'est le requiem pour un con
 
cwapilot
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RE: This Could Happen Here

Sat Jul 20, 2002 3:50 am

PhilB has a good point, and gets nothing but ignorance as a response. There is a difference between expressing dislike for a company, or reporting personal, negative experiences, or even relaying negative experiences of people you know. It is a completely different thing to spread information that makes serious accusations that can severely damage a company, which are unsubstantiated. People who do so, and the outlets they use to do so, if that outlet takes no steps to prevent it, can be sued for libel or defamation. Even if something is reported in a newspaper, and the paper does not do its homework and check and double check their information, they can be sued...and rightly so.

Is this report credible? Clearly not! For one thing, there are proper channels to go through to report such allegations, which would result in an investigation in order to determine if they are with merit. This hasn't been done here. Also, the extremely poor English grammer used in the statement is telling.

PhilB's point is that this has already happened in one site similar to this, in which people were allowed to run their mouths with no accountability. Why not here? I can talk all I want about how horrible my last trip on X airlines was. However, if I issue a report stating that airline X has serious safety problems and is dangerous, without anything to substantiate it, I stand in violation of the law, even though I may hate airline X. So, this is not a matter of opinion.
Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
 
cwapilot
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RE: This Could Happen Here

Sat Jul 20, 2002 3:57 am

My poor English grammAr has lead me to spell grammAr as "grammEr" above...thought I'd point it out myself since most people here who can't argue based on fact, attack the spelling and grammAr of others!  Smile

Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
 
philb
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RE: This Could Happen Here

Sat Jul 20, 2002 5:38 am

Thanks CwaPilot.

The ignorance you point out is precisely what led to the action against Avweb and, by the way, also against some of the subscribers who "published" items which were not only of their own authorship, but were repostings of items found elsewhere.

The definition of "publishing" means it is no defence to claim you were only reposting someone else's post elsewhere, if the content is libelous you perpetrate the libel.

So Com3205 please get your facts straight before "having a go" and, if you had read and UNDERSTOOD my posts on the Ryanair threads you would have realised I do not work for Ryanair, or Groholsky, have any real love for them or their CEO, so please don't talk about maturity if you can't demonstrate it yourself.

Finally, Greg, whilst you are correct about cross border suits, the EU is one entity with regard to civil actions and this site is run from Sweden, the posts came from Belgium, both in the EU. If Ryanair, or any other EU company was minded to take action, they would have to sue in the country where the libel was perpetrated BUT they would be treated as a European entity suing another European company/person and damages would have to be paid exactly as if the action was the result of a libel in a single country - costs and damages being set and payable in the single currency, the Euro.
 
groholsky
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RE: This Could Happen Here

Sat Jul 20, 2002 10:51 am

Look for the ridiculous in everything, and you will find it.
 
747-451
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RE: This Could Happen Here

Sat Jul 20, 2002 1:21 pm

Hey PhilB!!! Whats up!

Actually you make a very concise point. No one should say anything without substantiation, period.


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