PacificFlyer
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UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 9:42 am

I will be traveling with United from LAX to AKL next week, and listed on my e-ticket receipt, it said 777. What should I expect from United on this flight? Has anyone flown on this flight before?
 
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 9:46 am

You should expect a few meals, maybe a bit of turbulence, and a drab, grey aircraft with two engines!

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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 9:48 am

My dad flew on United from LAX to SYD and back not too long ago. It's not the best service but reasonable. The Boeing 777 will be nice to have on a long-haul with it's spacious cabin and PTVs. Nothing can compare with Air New Zealand (my personal favorite) but I don't mind United long-haul. I flew to China on them two years ago and the service was fine (better than some other US carriers).

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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 9:50 am

Bwah? I thought they were still opertaing the 747-400?
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PacificFlyer
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 10:22 am

well I'm looking forward to the flight, no matter what! lol..TG992, we will be staying in Auckland at the Sheraton, it's right on or near the bay, is that right?
Well, when I was booking with United.com, I did see a few flights operating with 747-400, but not on the day that we will be traveling.
 
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 10:36 am

The 744 is operated by Air New Zeland. The timetable says you get dinner & breakfast and I'm sure,a buch of movies.
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 10:42 am

pilottimm747,
not the best service but reasonable?how would you know,service on UNITED international is fine.they are better than air new zealand in my opinion.
any service between new zealand and the u.s. is good.

the 777 is awesome and the service will be fine,enjoy the ptv's and 3 or so movies you'll get.file a trip report when you return plz.



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PacificFlyer
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 10:57 am

Thanks everyone, I will do a trip report when i get back, 5th August!
 
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 11:26 am

.they are better
than air new zealand in my opinion.


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TG992
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 11:34 am

have either of you actually flown with air nz, contrail/doug_or?

I'd be interested to know what aspect of the flight you found UA to be superior on.
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 1:01 pm

TG992,
WHY WOULD YOU TRY TO QUESTON SOMEOMES OPINOIN?if they like an ailrine you dont,keep the pie hole closed and deal with it.

yes i have flown bothand i do in fact think UNITED has great service along with air new zealand.i said that they both are good.air service is air service,i questoned the kid who's dad flew ual and for some reason didnt liek em.




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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 1:02 pm

I second TG992. I have flown UA extensively in the last year in Economy, Economy Plus, Business (both transcon and international) and International First. I have also flown NZ from LA-SYD twice in Business Class and in Economy years ago. From my experiences, service on NZ is superior to UA and meals / wine selection is superior on NZ. Although I find the NZ Business Class seat more comfortable, I can see why some people would think that UA's (new) Business Class seat is more comfortable. UA's First Suite seat is superior to NZ's First Class seat. NZ's Economy class seats lack PTVs, but have more space than UA's non-Economy Plus coach seats.

If I had the choice, I would take NZ any day over UA. If you have a chance to fly NZ, why not try a relatively small airline with a fine reputation! The service is top notch. They don't have the slogan, "The world's warmest welcome" for no reason.
 
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 1:07 pm

hehe..sorry I did not mean to start an arguement with my silly curiosity. I think both airlines are wonderful in their own respective way. I've flown Air New zealand before but not to AKL, but from LAX to London a few years back on 747-400 a few years back in First Class. The service was quite nice.
 
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 1:13 pm

in my opinion i feel that to many people like other airlines in this world other than u.s. based airlines due to the fact you have so many u.s. based airlines.

if we didnt have so many carriers here in the u.s. then i think that air travel would increase and you'd see the majors excell.i dont need help understanding the low fare market so dont try me.

if you pay for a coach tkt then you get coach service,just because air new zealand did you better doesnt mean that u.s. domestic airlines are lacking in that department.you may have been going on a pleasure trip and excited about the new journey that lack of service on air new zealand wasnt noticed due to the fact you were on vacation.

it gets old hearing all you out there complain about american,united,delta,northwest and so on,when it comes to international service they are ALL good carriers and very safe and reliable.i have flown british ariways and they arent always in my opinon the way some describe them,cathay isnt the best either.it is all personal opinion and UNITED does in fact serve it's international customers very well.

just my opinion,if you dont agree well who cares thats how i feel.






 
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 1:51 pm

contrail - calm down, child!

I didn't intend to question your opinion. I asked if your opinion was based on a/ general impression of the airline's image from someone who hasn't flown it
or
b/ opinion from a passenger.

I then questioned what aspects of UAs operations you found superior to NZ's - a question you still haven't answered. I'm sorry for the hostility I seem to have aroused in you without reason
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 1:52 pm

further to my post above - contrail, I apologise for calling you 'child'. I failed to check your age in your profile before posting, and assumed by the content and composition of your post you were younger than I.
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 1:59 pm

BWAH!!!!!!!! didn't mean to offend! sorry to all involved. Yes I have flown LAX-AKL, AKL-(Cairns) and SYD-LAX on ANZ. I have also flown UAL SFO-HNL-AKL and AKL-HNL-LAX. I believe the ANZ 747 was roomier and the staff and food were both better. Not to say there was anything wrong with any of my UAL flights, just that after what I'm used to on US carriers I was pleasently suprised. That being said I always try o my damndest to get a UAL flight domesticly as they are my favorite cartel carrier thanks to channel 9


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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 2:15 pm

LAX-AKL is going back to a 744 in the peak travel season for NZ...

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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 2:26 pm

Are you sure? All the UA flights to AKL this NZ summer I have seen in the schedules are 777's!! Although I do sort of expect to see some 744's here!
 
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 2:43 pm

UAL777contrail, I find it strange how a week or so ago, it was you critiquing me as being the "anal, been there done that, arrogant attitude" one. Now look at yourself! Real good way to prove hypocrisy is alive and well! Check yourself Homeslice!

anyways, In risk of UA777contrail soiling himself over me discussing travel opinions on United, I can say a few things here. If you are 6 feet tall or more you will have a tight squeeze in Economy due to the box like object for the PTV's which is located directly infront of your feet while seated. The best way to counter act this is to hopefully have an open seat next to you. You can then stretch out into the empty space. Make sure you exhaust yourself during the day of departure. Since that flight leaves at 10PM you can get a good night sleep on UA841 to AKL. The service will be just fine. I doubt it will knock your socks off. But it will be just fine for the price you pay. Plus you know it will be a safe, smooth, and ontime ride! Have fun in Auckland and make sure to try a few Speights Old Dark beers while there!

Cheers!
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Mon Jul 22, 2002 11:46 pm

I just flew UA Business on a 777 and I honestly thought the service was very poor. They only offered drinks once on the flight and only after the meal was served. I would have thought this was an isolated incident until it happened again on my flight beyond Tokyo, I knew this must be policy.

I even hate to say it, but I would probably take NW over UA.

Air New Zealand is one of the best airlines I have flown. In all classes.
 
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Tue Jul 23, 2002 9:23 am

kaitakfan,
i just finished laughing at last weeks message.you do make me laugh kaitakfan.
i find it funny and in this case i got irritated when someone tries to queston an opinion of someone elses.it happens daily on a.net.
people will gang up on certain people for voicing there opinions,i am not being a hypocrite and your been their done that attitude is what was so funny the first time.

the age thing tg992 ,well i dont feel bad either so were all good,you are in fact a bias opinion as well.you got a lot more years to catch up with kaitakfan and his glorious 24 pacific crossings.
keep up the posts home slice.


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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Tue Jul 23, 2002 10:11 am

UAL777 I am not going to try and talk any sense to you. I feel like I am slamming my head against a brick wall trying to voice a point. Your lack of intelligence is extremely apparent here. Allow me put it simple... You are thick in the skull if you cant see your hypocritical comments. You try to flame myself for mentioning my travel experience. Then you go off and boast about your travels on ANZ,Cathay,BA and United. Do you think I care if you were irritated by someone questioning your opinion? Not the slightest, considering you make such a poorly based comment on how United is better then Air New Zealand by your experience. You then go off and get upset with others who's opinion is different then yours regarding United! Really, you make me shake my head is disbelief with the way your mind processes things.

Now to add on to something beneficial to the main topic here. PacificFlyer, In economy you can also expect midflight snacks to be located at the galley's. Here you can help yourself to something to eat as well as drink. Sometimes during these long trans-pacific flights flight attendants can disappear without a trace. I have found a lot of people were unaware of snack food items and drinks placed out for them during flight. So keep that in mind if you wake up mid flight, thirsty or hungry. By the way Pacflyer, is this your first time flying United International?

Cheers!
 
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Tue Jul 23, 2002 10:45 am

Thank you kaitakfan, that's very helpful. I do feel somewhat bad about starting this topic with people argueing! Lol... Well, the only time I had flown United international was from LAX to KIX on a 747-400 a few years back to catch the TG flight back to Bangkok. I don't know why we didnt fly TG directly from LAX to bangkok that day..oh wait that's right, that day TG from LAX was packed! But the UA flight was good experiance. Then, they did not have the first class suite, it was the old one, and the closet up front was covered with some sort of fabrick made into the stripes of blue, orange, and grey? that's what I recal from the UA flight a few years back.
 
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:07 am

PacificFlyer, No worries on the arguing part of the thread. Its good to have conflicting view points every now and again. Well it does look like it has been sometime since your last UAL international experience! The Seats should be a big improvement from what you had on your LAX-KIX flight! Do you have an assigned seat on UA 841 to AKL yet? Oh don't forget to make sure you arrive at the gate a bit early. United has all of its New Zealand and Australia bound passengers go through a visa verification check before anyone is permitted to board flight 841 to Auckland or 815 to Sydney. This check is done at a gate podium which is not being used for another flight that evening Needless to say I have seen the line for the visa checks to be about 60 to 80 people long!! I am sure it can get worse then that when there is a 777 departing within 20 minutes of a 747-400 right next door to one another. Anyways I hope you have a great flight experience as well as your stay in New Zealand!
 
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:29 am

Hello everyone,

I don't mean to throw a wrench in this whole topic, but I flew Qantas LAX-SYD-AKL-LAX back in February, and I thought service and overall experience was just OK (I expected a lot better after reading on Airliners.net and epinions.com, etc about the overall service in economy class). I am a fan of oneworld alliance (AA and CX are great airlines in my humble opinion), so QF was expected to be just as satisfying.

I would have loved to fly Air New Zealand to AKL, again after hearing and reading about great service. May be next time.

For us Yankees, I think also United Airlines is very underappreciated. I just returned from Paris (IAD-CDG-IAD) two weeks ago on UA, and had a great transatlantic trip. Initially, my wife and I had seats reserved apart from each other. We informed UA staff at check-in (CDG) and while passengers were boarding UA 909 (CDG-IAD), they furiously scrambled to re-book our seat assignments, in addition to about 20 other passengers on this fully booked flight. In the end, we ended up in Economy Plus 25A and B (window seats baby!) instead of our original middle seats in the UA 777 2-5-2 arrangement! Also, the PTV's were awesome, but how would I know... I was too busy on Channel 9 the entire trip home! Way to go UA!

By the way, a question for any Kiwis out there: Where can I get Spaight's beer here in the US? I drank it everyday during my 2 week trip to NZ (except on the Milford Track - too heavy to carry on your back); I love that stuff! NZ was awesome, easily the best vacation I've on... you Kiwis should be very proud of your country.
 
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:37 am

Yes, we do have our seats assigned already, but I don't have them handy at the moment. But we are flying economy on this trip, and I remember that I booked the seats right on the starboard wing on the flight into AKL, and back to LAX I remember that I booked right over the port side wing.
Why does the New Zealand/ Australia bound passengers have to have the visa check? How soon should we arrive at the gate for this? Our Delta flight from MCO arrives in LAX about 7 pm, we should have plenty of time.
 
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Tue Jul 23, 2002 1:05 pm

I've used them many times AKL - MEL in the 744 in both Y and J class. Probably a dozen round trips.

UA FAs are no nonsense in my experience and do what's expected of them, and from time to time can be quite good. But that's the experience on most airlines

In economy it was pretty average - although I was once given a bottle of champagne after I put one of the FAs intouch with a friend of mine who ran a tourism business.

Economy in my experience of both is better on NZ. NZ seats are better than UA's.

Business class on UA was excellent and never missed a beat in terms of service. Business and First seats are better on UA.
 
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:37 pm

I've flown both and found them both to be good. I've only flown UA in J class but they were better than I expected and the service was friendly and genuine.

UA must be suffering now their service from MEL is limited to a continuation 744 from SYD.

I don't understand why they didn't introduce a non-stop 772ER service from MEL-LAX which is quite poassible despite ETOPS. Under their current structure QF own the MEL-LAX route with NZ and UA offering only token competition.

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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Tue Jul 23, 2002 7:12 pm

I wondered the same Tullamarine! A UA772ER LAX-MEL or would it be to weight restricted? The 744's can only carry 300 max 1 way! QF will eliminate this problem when they start using the 744ER!!

AKL-MEL was not the most successful flight UA have ever operated!

Speight's ah I have had it, not bad! I don't drink much!
 
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Tue Jul 23, 2002 7:17 pm

www.speights.co.nz or www.liquorking.co.nz might be able to help CX889....
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:22 pm

UNITED doesnt have "J" class,they offer Y,C,F no j




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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:37 pm

Is this route longer than EWR-HKG with Continental's 777, or does UA now have the longest 777 route?

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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:20 am

contrail honey - J is another term for business class.
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Wed Jul 24, 2002 5:23 am

"C" is used by almost all North American and a few South American airlines when talking about business class, as "C" is just the fare bucket. United uses "C" and "D" for Business Fare buckets, "F" and "A" for First Class, and "P" for transcon Premium First Class

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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Wed Jul 24, 2002 5:44 am

LAX-MEL 6883nm, compatible with 180 ETOPS according to Great Circle Mapper. Perhaps the demand is not there...
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Wed Jul 24, 2002 10:57 am

5 star post yet again Contrail! Very helpful as always!

ZK-NBT, where did you hear the figure of only 300pax max is allowed to be carried on LAX-MEL flights? It wouldnt surprize me if that is a good number for passenger loads to be based around. I was just curious if you may have heard this from a reliable source in the airline industry. I always wondered how many Denied boardings were given on United flight 821 from New York, Kennedy to Hong Kong last year. I can imagine it wasnt a pretty site when every single passenger and then some showed up at the gate!

Aerorobnz, thanks for posting the links! I will enjoy taking a look into them for sure!
 
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Wed Jul 24, 2002 2:44 pm

I think I heard it on this forum. Well it can't take a full load thats for sure!
 
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RE: UA 777 To Auckland

Wed Jul 24, 2002 2:52 pm

Maybe they could carry a max pax to MEL - LAX with no freight in the belly.

I know Aerolineas used to do this with the 742 BUE-AKL via Rio Gallegos