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KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Mon Jul 22, 2002 11:16 pm

KLM AND AIRBUS SIGN LETTER OF INTENT
FOR THE PURCHASE OF AIRBUS A330-200 AIRCRAFT

AMSTELVEEN, July 22, 2002 – KLM Royal Dutch Airlines and Airbus today announced they have signed a letter of intent for the purchase of six Airbus A330-200 aircraft, for delivery from early 2005. The airline has additionally acquired purchasing rights for a further eighteen aircraft of the same type. The two companies released the joint announcement today at the UK’s bi-annual Farnborough Air Show. KLM has assured a high degree of flexibility by combining a firm order with purchasing rights, enabling the carrier to respond adequately to market developments in the coming years.

With this order, KLM has taken a further step towards detailing its intercontinental fleet renewal program. Earlier this year, the airline announced it would be replacing its currently operated Boeing 747-300 fleet, and two MD-11 aircraft, with ten Boeing 777-200 Extended Range full-passenger airliners and three Boeing 747-400 Extended Range Freighters (ERF).
In the second phase of KLM’s fleet program, planned for 2005 through 2010, the airline will replace its remaining eight MD-11s and twelve Boeing 767-200ERs with a combination of A330-200s and additional Boeing 777-200ER equipment. Today’s announcement was the first step towards implementing this second phase.

“In daily operations, the Airbus A330-200 has proven to be an aircraft providing excellent operational and commercial performance, with high levels of efficiency and flexibility, generating a high degree of passenger appreciation,” said KLM Chief Operating Officer Peter Hartman. “This aircraft type will also contribute to achieving our goal of minimizing the impact of our operations on the environment in the vicinity of airports. I should also point out that the fact that our alliance partner Northwest Airlines has also ordered the A330 opens new perspectives for our alliance in the areas of operations, handling, maintenance, and product specification.”

“Airbus Industrie is very happy to welcome KLM back as customer,” said Airbus president Noël Forgeard. “KLM sets high quality standards for aircraft manufacturers’ products and services. We regard the enthusiasm for the A330 displayed by KLM and its partner Northwest Airlines as major indicators of the quality of this aircraft’s design and technology, and for its added operational and commercial value.”

KLM will operate the A330-200 on routes in the 250-seat market.

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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Mon Jul 22, 2002 11:19 pm

I am absolutely DELIGHTED .


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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Mon Jul 22, 2002 11:25 pm

Let's just hope KLM does not follow those other European Airbus operators into severe trouble and possible bankruptcy:
SABENA
Swissair
Aer Lingus
Lufthansa
Alitalia

etc. etc. etc.

At least if they turn the options into firm orders it will be something of a viable number. A followup order for smaller Airbusses would make sense...
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Mon Jul 22, 2002 11:50 pm

I think I get the point: KLM originaly ordered 8 777 and 3 747ERF to replace the 747 classics. then they changed 2 of 777options for orders to replace 2 MD-11, today they ordered 2 more 777(that's 4 MD-11 to be replaced) and 6 a330 that's a total of 10 MD-11 to be replaced.

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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Mon Jul 22, 2002 11:51 pm

there must be something about the A332  Wink/being sarcastic am i wrong or is that a winner AC? i bet if AI would come up with a true A300 successor, they could not come up with deliveries.

@ jw: did not know that lh was drifting into bankruptcy. thought they were a money machine.

 
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 12:03 am

This is great news for us, Schiphol Spotters! we'll only have to wait for 2 and a half years...

But I'd hate to see the KLM-MD11 go...


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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 12:14 am

Jwenting, maybe KLM knows better than you, ever thought
of that?
The fact is that, even though you persist in denial,
the A332 is the better aircraft in its market segment
and KLM is making the "mistake" of wanting the better
aircraft.
Why don't you simply admit you were wrong on this one
instead of annoying everybody with your adolescent
whinings about a supposed "Airbus Curse".
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 12:14 am

Jwenting can you please enlighten me why you have put Lufthansa on the list of Airbus operators that are in severe trouble?

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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 12:35 am

I find it interesting that they mention thier alliance with NW as a factor of their choice to "share" maintenace. It has always been said in the forum, when specualting on aircraft orders, the role of partner airlines orders. I believe that this is the first time that and airlines has publicly declared this. Am I correct?
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 12:47 am

Congratulations to both Boeing and Airbus for getting the orders and to KLM who doesn't look at which manufacturer is best but only looks whichb plane is best for KLM!

I'm very glad we finally can put a big . behind any discussion about the future KLM long haul fleet allthough......

Today’s announcement was the first step towards implementing this second phase.

ehhhhh, what's next?????

Jwenting, since when does Alitalia operate the A330????????. BTW you forgot to mention good old USAiways.

 
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 1:26 am

Great news, and great news for Airbus, they have finally broken the KLM deadlock on airbus products. I wonder where KLM will use it's A330's, long and medium haul routes to the Middle east/Africa and North america?

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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 1:54 am

Arsenal, Just look where all the B767s and MD-11 are going to and you'll see that you're question can be answered positively. Moreover you'll probably see them also at LHR.
 
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 2:02 am


Arsenal,don't forget that KLM used to operate 10,ten,A310s !!!
Next flight TUN-YUL Tunisair A330-243.
 
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 2:07 am

Layoff Jwenting TP and every1 else.

He is just pointing out the airlines that ordered the A330 and then got into severe trouble and possible bankruptcy. You can't argue the facts. Of course, Airbus isn't responsible for the financial problems of some of the airlines Jwenting mentioned.
 
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 2:55 am

You're the only one that got it National (though I included also airlines ordering other Airbusses and getting into trouble).
Remember that shareholders and customers are often superstitious...

The A330 is an excellent aircraft, and time will have to tell whether it is so too for KLM. Remember that KLM tried Airbusses before and was disappointed. That was in the same market segment they're now buying the A330, the B767 replaced A310s KLM was NOT happy with (why else replace them 10+ years before the planned replacement date).

SAS, AFAIK the total KLM 777 order now stands at 10, but it could be the pressrelease for the A330 deal did not take the 777 order also signed today into account (it mentions 10 777s only).

Konstantin, LH had a severe loss last year and is not doing much better this year. KLM last year had (over the entire year) a lower loss than LH had over the 1st quarter of this year alone. KLM is now running a profit again, LH is (AFAIK) still in the red.
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 2:58 am

Huh, National?
Don't you think that Jwenting can argue his points by himself?
If, as you say, "Airbus isn't responsible for the financial problems of some of the airlines Jwenting mentioned", than why did he mention it in the first
place, in a KLM orders thread that has nothing to do with such discussion?
(as you seem to agree)
By the way I happen to think that the A332 has a curse.
That curse has fallen upon the 767 in the last years...
 
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:02 am

Very nice indeed!
6 A330-200 and purchase rights of a further 18 A330-200s, that could make a total of 24 aircraft. Perhaps the MD11 and 767 fleet will be replaced by only A330 aircraft and not a mix of 777 and 330 aircraft.
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:15 am

Won't the ordering of these A330s and integration of them into KLM's all Boeing fleet increase crew training costs (pilots transitioning will have to get all new training to fly the Airbus, and that's expensive, or is it just me?). Just wondering, since that's why so many airlines chose Airbus or Boeing over another, to keep their fleets streamlined.

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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:09 am

Well AirOrange maybe it's time for a new livery.

Go for it.
 
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:15 am

Is there any advantage to have 777 iso a330 when an airline already operates 737, 767 and 747 aircraft ?

As far as I can see the 777 is a totaaly new generation aircraft for KLM. Commonality with other Boeing Aircraft in term of maintenance, training etc are very limited just like the Airbus 330.

Well perhaps there isn´t an 8 houre time difference when you need product support from Toulouse and a truck can do the distance in a day, a plane in an hour..
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:36 am

#keesje
Well perhaps there isn´t an 8 houre time difference when you need product support from Toulouse and a truck can do the distance in a day, a plane in an hour..

this line doesn't end up..
afaik boeing and klm were starting a joint-venture parts-center in amsterdam for all the boeing parts there are..
so if they would need something.. they only got to get it out their own garage.
but i see your point.

b777's and the A330 is a beautiful combi. which fits klm just perfect for their needs.
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:40 am

I thought that we would see a bigger initial order for the type, only 6? According to KLM, they now have 3 744ERFs on order to replace the 743 Freighters, plus 10 777s on order to replace 8 743s and 2 MD11s, and 6 A332s to replace (I guess) 6 763s.

That still leaves 8 MD11s and 6 763s to go (another 14 aircraft) plus potential expansion. I thought that with Phase 2 would atleast cover replacement of all MD11s, if not the 763s. Maybe this is only part one of phase 2?
 
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:43 am

Retouched impression from an hobbyist on a KLM 330-200
http://www.jetsite.com.br/fotos/330_KLM.jpg

from the Brazilian side Jetside.com.br (loooots of pictures ..)

There is also a retouched 777-200 on this site
http://www.jetsite.com.br/fotos/777_PHBGF.jpg

don´t know how to make them visible ..

Together with 747-400 an excelent long haul fleet I think ..
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 5:01 am

I'm also very glad to see KLM ordering the A330-200 as this aircraft proved to be the best aircraft in its class. The A332 has sold very well in recent years, outselling Boeing's 764. More airlines put their trust in this aircraft by ordering/leasing (more of) this aircraft. Besides the aircraft's economical performances, I personally think the A332's combination of range and cargo capacity is an attractive feature. Hopefully we will see more Airbus aircraft types entering KLM's fleet although I do not see this happen.

I wish KLM all the best with their A332's.

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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 5:20 am

Talking about Air Orange, (SKIPPY777), haven't heard from Air Orange for a while now... He on vacation or so??

I'd love to see more of his (new) designs, they're great!!

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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 7:30 am

Enfin, that are good news and I'm realy happy about KLM's decision to
order both AC's and I think that both will do very fine in KLM's longhaul fleet.
 
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 8:41 am

air orange his site is also down..
who knows more?
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:09 pm

Today’s announcement was the first step towards implementing this second phase.

Dutchjet, I think this part of the pres release explains a lot

that KLM tried Airbusses before and was disappointed.

Jwenting, you're wrong. KLM changed to the B767 because they changed the strategy, and for this strategy the A310-200 wasn't the best plane. Initally KLM was happy with the A310-200 as it provided a solution for a problem on high dense European routes. However, once KLM increased the frequencies on European destinations dramtically (introducing the "Blokkensysteem") the A310-200s role was over as it wasn't a very suitable aircraft for Middle Eastern and Middle African destinations. They did consider the A310-300 but opted for the B767-300 because at the time that aircraft fitted the fleet best.

BTW Does the A330 use LD3 containers?

 
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:17 pm

Jwenting, National,

You take two ridiculous examples and make a conclusion out of this. Every statistics amateur can only laugh at you...

...and you don't even know the facts right. Lufthansa ins trouble...what a bull. Their problems were ONLY caused by Sept.11, and not by their Airbus fleet. THIS Airbus fleet had before made it possible to achieve a record profit in its history...
Following your argumentation, one could say: Oh, all the American carriers suffered big losses last year (after Seprtember) because they bought so many Boeings...

Try to get it: the B763 is a plane of yesterday, and KLM is just one more airline which will replace it by the A332.
I personally like the combination of B772 and A332, it's an absolute winning team, as Air France's and Emirates' operations show. But I guess you have never ever spend a minute to look at their network and aircraft utilisation...


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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 6:19 pm

From airbus.com:

KLM ROYAL DUTCH AIRLINES TO ACQUIRE UP TO 24 A330-200
JULY 22, 2002
KLM Royal Dutch airlines have signed an Memorandum of Understanding with Airbus today to acquire six Airbus A330-200s and purchase rights on further 18 aircraft of this type. Delivery of the aircraft will begin in early 2005. In KLM’s layout the aircraft will seat around 250 passengers in a comfortable two-class-cabin. The engine selection has yet to be made.

Making the most of the A330-200’s impressive versatility, KLM will operate the aircraft from its hub in Amsterdam on its international route network. The A330-200‘s flexibility and efficiency stem from its state-of-the-art technology, optimised wing design and the lowest fuel burn in its class. Together with low noise and emissions levels, these features also contribute to environmentally-friendly operations.

“In daily operations, the Airbus A330-200 has proven to be an aircraft providing excellent operational and commercial performance, with high levels of efficiency and flexibility, generating a high degree of passenger appreciation,” said KLM Chief Operating Officer Peter Hartman. “This aircraft type will also contribute to achieving our goal of minimising the impact of our operations on the human and natural environment in the vicinity of airports.”

Airbus’ A330-200 is renowned for being the most efficient aircraft in its class, combining the lowest operating costs with highly efficient cargo capabilities that enhance airline profitability through freight operations. The A330-200 also offers the most spacious cabin of any widebody jet in its category. Wider seats and wider aisles create a more enjoyable seating arrangement for passengers and state-of-the-art cabin systems help to provide a comfortable atmosphere that reflects the commitment to passenger comfort found in all Airbus aircraft, which are known worldwide to have the quietest cabin in the sky.

“I am delighted with KLM’s decision to select the A330-200. This agreement marks an important breakthrough for Airbus, since KLM was one of the major European airline not yet operating Airbus’ modern aircraft family," said Noël Forgeard, Airbus President and Chief Executive Officer. “This new mark of confidence in the A330-200 clearly shows its leadership in this segment,” he added.

KLM‘s selection of the A330 further reinforces the remarkable success of the A330/A340 Family as the preferred medium to long-range aircraft among airlines worldwide. The A330/A340 Family has booked some 750 total orders from more than 60 customers to date and is cornering 76 per cent of the market against its direct competitors so far in 2002.

A leading aircraft manufacturer with the most modern and comprehensive product line on the market, Airbus is a global company with design and manufacturing facilities in France, Germany, the UK, and Spain as well as subsidiaries in the U.S., China and Japan. Headquartered in Toulouse, France, Airbus is an EADS joint Company with BAE SYSTEMS.

 
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 9:57 pm

I believe KLM have around 20 more options/purchase rights on the 777. So, it will be interesting to see the final mix of 777s/330s in the fleet. A good move by KLM, both in aircraft choice and keeping their options open with both types. No doubt KLM will order more 777s and 332s for replacement of the existing fleet and for fleet growth. If all their options are taken up, then KLM could have 30 777s and 24 A332s. No doubt the option for 773s and 333s will be available also.
I think it is one of the smarter fleet purchases I have seen for a long time, but I wonder whether it means the A380 is not being seriously considered by KLM. It seems to be the end of an era for KLM operating combi aircraft also. Seems like it will be all cargo or all pax from now on.

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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 10:18 pm

Seems like it will be all cargo or all pax from now on.

I think the twenty-something 747-400's are mostly combi's and will fly on for a long time.


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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:18 pm

At least 5 of the 747-400s (data on the latest few isn't on KLMs site) are full pax, 16 or more are combis.

The interior layout of the A330s is not announced. It could be Airbus is building them as combis, I believe the option is available (though never exercised yet). The fact that the A330s is quite a bit larger than the 767s they're replacing might have something to do with that.
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RE: KLM Buys 6 Airbus 330-200

Fri Aug 02, 2002 12:10 am

And operates them as no other airline as well...
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