bigphilnyc
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JFK Atis Confusion

Tue Jul 23, 2002 2:29 pm

I was bored today while waiting for a bus and called up JFK ATIS on my cell phone to see what runways were in use. I got very confused by two things:

First, they said "VORDME Runway 22 left, approach and use Runway 13 left."

What does that mean? If they are using VORDME Rwy 22, why would they be landing on 13L?

My other thing was when they said "......approach and use Runway 13 left, depart runway 31 right."

Isn't that the same Runway? The means planes deparitng are going head to head with plane that are landing, right?

Did I miss something here?

Also, if it helps, they said some about noise abatement.

What's the deal here?
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Rai
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RE: JFK Atis Confusion

Tue Jul 23, 2002 2:49 pm

Hey, Phil.

Runway 22L is far enough away from runway 13L that they can use both for simultaneous landings. I've actually seen them land THREE planes at the same time using runways 22L, 13L and 13R (usually Delta aircraft) and a few other combinations. They usually use this approach pattern between 12PM-6PM when arrival traffic is really heavy and there aren't as many departures. After 6, they just switch one runway for arrivals and one for departures, though they will mix it a bit.

And 13L/31R are the same runways, just different directions. It seems wierd that they would use use 13L for landings and 31R for departures. Come to think of it, they don't usually use 13L/31R for departures because it would take the plane residential areas. But I have seen them use both 13's (and 31's for that matter) for departures when departure traffic is really, really heavy. It looks really cool to see two 747's take off at the same time -- one turing towards the Atlantic Ocean and the other turning slightly the other way.
 
flyguy1
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RE: JFK Atis Confusion

Tue Jul 23, 2002 10:41 pm

Yesterday they were only using the 13's for arrivals, and departures. After 2p, they also opened up 22L for some arrivals. There is no way to use both 31, and 13 at the same time. Traffic would face into each other, not good at all.
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Jeff G
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RE: JFK Atis Confusion

Tue Jul 23, 2002 10:53 pm

You might have misheard, or the ATIS was just incorrect that hour. Typical flow when the wind is out of the south, as it was yesterday, is 13L and 22L for arrivals, 13R for departures. 13R instead of 31R. I've never seen a flow that has 31R for departures. Not much room down there to line up planes, and 31L works a lot better for departure routes. Probably a typo.
 
goboeing
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RE: JFK Atis Confusion

Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:53 pm

What's the phone number please?! I'd like to call that myself just to listen to. Thanks!

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flyguy1
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RE: JFK Atis Confusion

Wed Jul 24, 2002 12:05 am

JFK Atis: 718-995-8188
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bigphilnyc
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RE: JFK Atis Confusion

Wed Jul 24, 2002 7:32 am

I triple checked it. I listened to it play out 3 times. I'm sure it was just an error.
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