bobcat
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Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 1:24 am

This is insane... 30 beers?

These guys should have "idiot pilots" branded on their forehead....



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http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/3715212.htm

America West pilots rang up hefty bar tab
Party downed equivalent of 30 beers

When Miami-Dade police asked America West pilot Capt. Thomas Porter Cloyd how many beers he drank just hours before he attempted to fly 124 passengers from Miami to Phoenix, he replied: ''Too many,'' according to court documents released Monday.

The pilots, yanked from their cockpit July 1 because police suspected they were drunk, rang up a $122 bar tab at Mr. Moe's in Coconut Grove the night before the flight. Their party, prosecutors say, consumed the equivalent of 30 12-ounce bottles of beer and one martini between 10:49 p.m. and 4:22 a.m.

The only food listed on the tab: a hamburger.

Eight hours after closing out the tab, police say, Cloyd registered a blood alcohol level of .091 and First Officer Christopher Scott Hughes tested at .081.

It's not clear exactly how many people were drinking at Moe's with Cloyd, 44, and Hughes, 41.

The receipt seems to indicate there might have been as many as 11 people in the pilots' party, but prosecutor Ron Ramsingh said he expects to have evidence that contradicts that.

''You shouldn't infer from the receipt that there were 11 people in their party drinking that alcohol,'' Ramsingh said. ``We contend there were far fewer than that.''

A manager at Moe's declined to comment Monday afternoon. But two sources familiar with the case say investigators obtained a security tape from the bar that shows there were between four and six people in the party.

Ramsingh asked a judge Monday to revoke the pilots' bail, claiming they left Miami-Dade County and returned to their homes in Arizona without getting the court's permission.

Hughes' attorney James K. Rubin said his client believed his contract with the bail bond company allowed him to travel.

''The bondsmen told them they could travel back to Arizona,'' Rubin said. Cloyd is represented by attorney William Pearson.

COURT DATE

Both men have been ordered to appear in court Aug. 1.

''I'm not trying to lock them up until the trial,'' Ramsingh said. ``We just want them to follow proper procedure and come back and ask the court for permission to be in Arizona.''

Both men have pleaded not guilty to misdemeanor DUI charges and felony charges of operating an airplane while intoxicated.

They face up to six years in prison if convicted on all counts, Ramsingh said.

The Federal Aviation Administration revoked the men's pilots certificates three days after the incident. America West also fired them.

According to prosecution evidence released Monday to the defense lawyers:

The receipt shows the pilots' table ordered seven 34-ounce Sierra Nevada draft beers; seven 16 ounce Sierra Nevada draft beers; one martini; one ''happy hour draft''; and one ``Western Burger.''

Cloyd and Hughes closed out the tab at 4:22 a.m.

GUARDS ON ALERT

Six hours later, they arrived at Miami International Airport to pilot a 10:39 a.m. flight. Security guards said they appeared drunk.

The guards called police and said the pilots reeked of alcohol, had bloodshot eyes, flushed faces, and became irate when they were told they couldn't pass through a security checkpoint with large cups of coffee.

Hughes told the guards it was just his ''bad breath'' when they asked him if he had been drinking, according to court records. Both pilots soon took the controls and began taxiing the jet for takeoff. Miami-Dade officers called the control tower and had the plane return to the gate.

Officers queried Hughes about his breath. He responded the scent was ''merely mouthwash,'' according to the arrest report. Police read the pilots their rights against self-incrimination, court records show, and then asked them how much alcohol they drank.

`TOO MANY'

The pilots said they were drinking pints of draft beer at Moe's. Cloyd said he didn't know how many he had consumed, but that it was ''too many,'' according to an investigator's notation.

Hughes told police he had consumed ''many'' pints.

FAA regulations prohibit pilots from operating an aircraft within eight hours of consuming alcohol or if they have a blood-alcohol concentration of 0.04 or higher.

Florida's legal limit for driving is .08. America West policy bans drinking within 12 hours of a scheduled departure.
 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 3:37 am

Damn...they really tied one on! How could they expect to drink _that_ much and be sober 6 hours later? Furthermore, why go out at 10Pm the night before a 10am flight? They should be getting a good night's sleep!!

Oh well, now I know where to go for spring break: the pilot's house!!
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 3:48 am

If there were six people in the party, and they collectively consumed 30 beers in a period of five and a half hours, that's hardly what I'd call heavy drinking. You're only talking about one per hour, which in most people won't cause intoxication given the rate at which the body metabolizes alcohol. Of course, this is assuming that everyone in the party had equal amounts and that they spread out the drinking fairly evenly over the time the spent in the bar, which may not have been the case.
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Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:08 am

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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:08 am

Well, I know who to hire now when I want to go up, and down, and side to side in an Airplane :-P
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:19 am

Boeing 764- They were flying an a319 that night.

This story is becoming more and more clear as time goes on- these guys were drunk and knowning this, they tried to fly. Clip their wings!
Someday, we'll look back at this, laugh nervously, and then change the subject.
 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:58 am

Here is the NYPost article on this:

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/53179.htm
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 5:43 am

prosa wrote...If there were six people in the party, and they collectively consumed 30 beers in a period of five and a half hours, that's hardly what I'd call heavy drinking

I would have supported this theory if it wasnt for the fact that I know too many pilots. I am not sure I have ever seen a pilot put his hand into his pocket for anything...never mind paying for drinks for others. Tab is most probably just those two...

It is the running joke in the Fa circles about how cheap pilots are..

Jeremy
 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 6:00 am

Artsyman,

FWIW, anyone at my table gets treated routinely to the beverage(s) of their choice, and if they're still on probation, food as well. Not to mention the Starbucks run mid-day. So please, we are not all cheap.
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 6:16 am

Here is the actual document:

 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 6:21 am

Barney, it was more joke than anything. Most of our pilots are excellent people, the cheap thing is just something that does the rounds when the topic of pilots come up.

nothing personal

Jeremy
 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 7:32 am

Just out of curiousity...Not having been to FLA in a while.

Doesn't Miami have a bar time/last call? 0422! That's brass balls for a couple of 40 year olds.
 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 7:48 am

Sierra Nevada Pale Ale! Wow, at least they know good beer. Oh and typical, the F/O picked up the tab.

What a sad state of affairs.

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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 8:08 am

$8.50 for a burger???
 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 8:20 am

http://www.conciergeindex.com/mrmoes.htm

Looks like they went to a pretty happening place.
 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 9:00 am

Mr Moe's - New addition to the Miami sightseeing tour route. New prime time sitcom (Move over Cheers!).

I suspect those two lads didn't drink all that booze by themselves. However, proving that might be a bit sensitive since they probably have wives or girlfriends and being discrete about certain affairs that went on (no pun intended) might be the only thing left for them to save... seeing how they've done lost their jobs.
Then again, you'd have to be pretty drunk to pay $8.50 (U.S.!) for a burger... Unless it was a super sized combo and the drink was one of those 16 ouncers of beer :-]
Nevermind political correctness - Envision using your turn signals!
 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 9:26 am

Regardless of how much they have consumed at the bar...

BOTH pilots were tested to have ABOVE legal-limit blood
alcohol levels when they were ordered to return to
the gate...

IMHO, when you have to fly a jet carrying more than 100
passengers, you blood alcohol level should be ZERO.

Also, let's not forget the fact that they were out partying until 422AM,
and then had to show up for work in the cockpit at 10AM...

 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 9:28 am

Damn, thats expensive to drink, over £2 a pint I think  Wow!
I pay £1.74 for a pint  Big grin
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 10:22 am

In my expert opinion (resulting from many years of serious partying), they should have booked off sick.
The fact that they didn't probably indicates that they've done this many times before and nobody noticed. This isn't the type of thing that just randomly happens one time when you're in your forties. It is more likely a longer term issue.
They'll most likely cut a deal out of court and do a stint in a re-hab clinic.
 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 11:13 am

Looking at that receipt, it looks like he could barely write! LoL!!
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 11:14 am

Bobcat, any aviator at the controls should have zero for blood/alcohol level, not just those who have more then 100 passengers.
 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beer

Wed Jul 24, 2002 11:31 am

>Looking at that receipt, it looks like he could barely write! LoL!!

I dunno, I process deposits at a bank and many checks are written so messy that they'd put that drunk guy's writing to shame...
 
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Prosa....

Wed Jul 24, 2002 2:32 pm

Prosa Said:"If there were six people in the party, and they collectively consumed 30 beers in a period of five and a half hours, that's hardly what I'd call heavy drinking. You're only talking about one per hour, which in most people won't cause intoxication given the rate at which the body metabolizes alcohol. Of course, this is assuming that everyone in the party had equal amounts and that they spread out the drinking fairly evenly over the time the spent in the bar, which may not have been the case."

If they were drinking and EATING maybe it would lessen the intoxication, notice how there is nly one burger on the tab. And they weren't execatly drinkin' Coors Lite either!

I'm suprised there were no Jello shots either...burp...excuse me!  Nuts
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Wed Jul 24, 2002 2:40 pm



"Prosecutor says there were 'far fewer' than that(11 people).
Sources say a security tape will show there were 4-6 in the
party...."


 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 2:52 pm

$8.50 for a hamburger?
What a rip off!
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 9:58 pm

I could easily see this in The Simpsons:

Homer: Ya feeling ok, Moe?

Moe: Not really, It seems like I've been running this bar for 14 years, and I haven't seen any real big purchases-

Homer: Well you could turn it into Mr. Moes and get pilots in here paying you $120 a stint

.....
 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 10:53 pm

Damnit, Lowfareair. I wanted to crack the joke about Moe's and Homer Simpson.  Angry
Almost did.
 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Wed Jul 24, 2002 11:12 pm

What saddens me most is that everyone is missing the real issue here. While it may be remotely possible, I highly doubt that these two guys were drinking that much for the first time. It is much more likely that they both have a serious alcohol addiction. This is hardly a laughing matter, and while there can be no excuse for their showing up for work in that state, I believe there are alot of folks who have yet to answer for this.

First of all, I would hardly be happy to be the managment of that bar, having it spread all over the national media that your service staff are more concerned with making the big tip, than with monitoring the amount of alcohol the customer is served.

Next, assuming these gentlemen do have a drinking problem, someone had to have known about it before this. It's awful easy to shrug it off, it's alot harder to tell a friend / colleague / family member that they need help.

While I can understand the airline's public position, it strikes me as a little hypocritical that these two were so quickly fired, without first having a fair trial, or pleading guilty.

I would hope that this situation serves to enlighten all of us of the need to watch out for our fellow co-worker and make our best effort to keep them from placing themselves into potentially dangerous, and career ending, situations. I will certainly watch the behaviour of my fellow crew members alot more closely on the next few layovers. No, I am not the company cop, and I don't want to be. This will be between me and my colleagues.

IMHO of course.
 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Thu Jul 25, 2002 12:52 am

Pardon my ignorance, but where does it say anything about 30 beers? I see 15 beers, one Martini and one Burger.

Oh, and a few more question, what does this "opening the tap" mean, and why are there two receipts? What does the position on the bill "1 Name, 11, Party - 0.00" mean?

Thanks,

Daniel Smile

P.S.: 20 bucks tip, he was either REALLY drunk, or not that cheap after all  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Thu Jul 25, 2002 1:10 am

The amount they drank is equivalent to 30 12-oz. beers:

7 x 16 + 7 x 34 = 350
350/12 = 29.1667

plus one Happy Hour draft (12 oz??)

== 30 12 oz beers approx.

Tip: a fifteen percent tip on a $113.00 pre-tax tab would be $16.95, so yeah, at $20.00 they were relatively generous. I would be too, after all that Sierra Nevada!

What I don't understand is how they qualified for a 'happy hour' drink between 10 PM and 4:30 AM. Some strange, happy hours are being kept in MIA!

On a more serious note, were these guys in uniform at the bar?
 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Thu Jul 25, 2002 1:42 am

"...On a more serious note, were these guys in uniform at the bar?"

Ah, no. You definitely would not be sitting in the bar in uniform. The last thing you would want to do is draw attention to yourself as a pilot.




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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Thu Jul 25, 2002 2:21 am

Barney I think that's a good plan, but given the way those guys acted I wouldn't put anything past them. If I'm not mistaken, one of the earlier drunk pilot episodes (NW???) involved someone calling the FAA and reporting that a cockpit crew was partaking, as it were. If they were not in uniform, they must have advertised it somehow.
 
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RE: Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!

Fri Jul 26, 2002 6:50 am

It appears that most drunk drivers/pilots are now arrested in pairs....  Big grin

Two drunk HP pilots arrested together.....

....and now drunk husband & wife arrested together
for DUI, in separate cars....

...................................................................................
Now There Are His And Her Drunken Driving Busts
Same Deputy Arrests Husband, Wife Suspects In Different Cars
Posted: 9:33 a.m. EDT July 25, 2002

ELKO, Nev. -- There are his-and-her towels, his-and-her bathrobes and now his-and-her drunken driving busts.

Elko County, Nev., Sheriff's Deputy Sean Murphy stopped two DUI suspects the other night: a husband and his wife, driving separate cars.

Murphy says he was nearly clipped by the second car after pulling over the husband. The other car was driven by the wife. Murphy says it's the first his-and-hers DUI busts in the area that he's ever heard about.

The man and woman were booked into separate cells at the Elko County Jail.

http://www.local6.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-157672820020725-080704.html

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