jamesag96
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CO 764's And Different Configurations...

Wed Jul 24, 2002 2:31 am

According to Continentals website their 767-400's have the 200/35 config. Talking to the agent today for my flight to HNL she gave me the impression that this particular aircraft is set up with only 20 seats in first class.

My question is which is it, and do they fly different configurations from different hubs?

Thank you for all information.

James
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akelley728
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RE: CO 764's And Different Configurations...

Wed Jul 24, 2002 2:47 am

There are six 767-400s in a 'Pacific' configuration of 235/20. These serve HNL and GUM.

More info here:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/872263/
 
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Jacobcal
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RE: CO 764's And Different Configurations...

Wed Jul 24, 2002 2:50 am

Most -400's have the configuration of 35/200 but there is a new configuration used on flights to the Pacific which has 20 seats in first class (not considered BusinessFirst since its a domestic flight) and 235 in coach. The Pacific configured aircraft is used only on HNL from IAH/EWR/LAX. From time to time we end up with the 35/200 configuration from IAH to HNL but its becoming more and more uncommon.

JacobCAL
 
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RE: CO 764's And Different Configurations...

Wed Jul 24, 2002 2:51 am

A certain number of the -400s are set up for the Hawaii market, which has the reduced BusinessFirst seating. It's a leisure market and those 'up front' may be cashing in ff miles, etc. OTOH, the full 35 seat front cabin would be useful on the North Atlantic where there are those lucky fatcats who get their way paid in BusinessFirst! BTW, special Hawaii configs are not new, AA's DC-10 fleet (and now 767-300s) had certain ships earmarked for that market, and reduced first class was one characteristic. I've heard AA employees refer to the more crowded Hawaii -10s as 'pineapple crunch'.
 
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RE: CO 764's And Different Configurations...

Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:18 am

JacobCAL, you might want to check on the IAH/LAX/EWR-HNL and HNL-GUM flights and the status of the front cabin again. I can tell you with 100% certainty that those ARE considered BusinessFirst cabins, are treated as international (with respect to the BizFirst service), and are not eligible for Elite upgrades. They book in D/J class and NOT A/F as domestic flights do. They are also subject to the 30 day upgrade rule and the H/K/Y fare upgradability rules. The only difference I believe is that one can do a revenue upgrade at the gate if there's space available which I don't believe is offered on any other BF flight.
 
jamesag96
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RE: CO 764's And Different Configurations...

Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:28 am

So Kanebear,
Are you telling me that I have little to no chance of upgrading to First/Business First from IAH to HNL?

That does suck.

Regards,
James
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RE: CO 764's And Different Configurations...

Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:51 am

IAH/EWR-HNL is a BF service, the service and amenities are consistent with what one would find on a similarly-timed flight to Europe, with the absence of the Executive Meal Option. Entrees are pre-plated, and served in 5 courses. A meal like what we serve domestically (all-in-one tray service) is offered prior to arrival.

I'm not sure what we offer on LAX-HNL, but due to the time of the flight, I would imagine a single-tray "lights out" service consisting of several dinner choices with standard appetizers, fruit, and a piece of cake for dessert. I'm not sure if that particular flight is considered BF or not; my guess is no.

Several years ago, we configured some DC-10s to a 282-seat (28/254) specifically for Hawaii operations. Since the introduction of BusinessFirst, we have operated it on our HNL services, and have taken a great deal of pride in offering the finest premium cabin service available to the Islands, bar none. When we switched to 767s on Hawaii routes, we lost 54 coach seats that, on most occasions, would push as a revenue-earning seat. In other words, our flights operate full, especially in back, and the loss of 54 seats on each flight was not working in our favor. So, we reduced the number of BF seats to the average number that we sell to Hawaii, and replaced them with 35 Coach seats in order to close the gap. Unfortunately, that move essentially killed any chance of a OnePass upgrade on an aircraft in this configuration.

By the way, at this point only LAX-HNL are in the new Pacific configuration, I think IAH will get it on the second daily coming this winter. EWR-HNL will not get it as the addition of 20 passengers adds a lot of weight, and considering the flight is slightly weight-restricted to begin with, it would not be such a good idea to add that many passengers and their associated belongings on to such a long flight, since their ride comes at the expense of valuable cargo capacity.
 
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RE: CO 764's And Different Configurations...

Wed Jul 24, 2002 5:05 am

Unless you have 35,000 miles, and are on an H, K or Y fare OR want to spend $300-$400 EACH WAY (depending on booked fare class) AND there's availability, you're in the back. The best bet is to check in VERY early on the day of departure and tell them you want to do a revenue upgrade. It's $250 each way but obviously they can't upgrade you for the return in advance. That's a very well spent $250 if you can get it.
 
jamesag96
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RE: CO 764's And Different Configurations...

Wed Jul 24, 2002 5:27 am

Well as of now I am on a wait list after being deducted the 35K miles, and she says my Gold Status may help, so I'll keep my fingers crossed. I'll bring some extra cash on flight day though.....and some charm.

Thanks,
James
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RE: CO 764's And Different Configurations...

Wed Jul 24, 2002 5:44 am

James, when are you flying ?, I will check the loads for you

Jeremy
 
jamesag96
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RE: CO 764's And Different Configurations...

Wed Jul 24, 2002 6:01 am

Hey there Artysman,

Sent you an email.

Thanks for checking that out.

James
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jamesag96
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RE: CO 764's And Different Configurations...

Wed Jul 24, 2002 11:58 pm

With CO's Pacific configuration of 20/236, can any of fine folks tell me:

What the bulk head rows are?
Which rows have power for Laptops?

Thank you very much,

James
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jamesag96
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RE: CO 764's And Different Configurations...

Thu Jul 25, 2002 1:52 am

Anyone...Fry.....Bueller.....Bueller?

J
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akelley728
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RE: CO 764's And Different Configurations...

Thu Jul 25, 2002 4:28 am

James,

A great website to check out is http://www.seatguru.com. As they say, it's "the source for airplane seat information".

They list American, Continental, Delta, and United on there. It'll tell you bulkhead rows, power port seats, etc. for all of the planes in CO's fleet. Under Continental both 767-400 configurations are there.
 
jamesag96
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RE: CO 764's And Different Configurations...

Thu Jul 25, 2002 5:34 am

Thank you very much, I'll check it out.

Regards,
James
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