philb
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Moderator's Lack Of Airliner Historical Knowledge.

Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:09 am

I just received this:

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:24 PM
Subject: Airliners.net forum post deletion


PhilB,
Your message with topic "John Cunningham Dead"
has been moved to forum: non_aviation. The reason is as follows:

POSTED IN WRONG FORUM
Photo Requests goes in the Photo Request forum, hobby related posts
goes in the Hobby forum and photography posts goes in the Aviation
Photography forum. Advanced Tech/Ops issues goes in the Tech/Ops
forum, military posts in the Military Aviation forum and non-aviation
related topics (like "where is everyone from" and such) and
questions/comments regarding Airliners.net goes in the Non-Aviation
forum. All else aviation related and of general interest goes in the
Civil Aviation Discussion. Never ever post the same topic in different
forums.


Please consider this to be a fair and friendly notice. In order for a forum to function in a way that benefits all its members, there have to be rules, both explicit and implicit.
Kindly stay within the rules in the future.

The rules of the forum (which you have agreed to follow):
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/rules.main?confirm=no

Sincerely,
Airliners.net Moderator Crew
Forum Moderator
Airlines.net
>
>
> A copy of the removed/archived/moved post is included below:
> -----------------------------------------
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> John Cunningham Dead
>
> Posted by PhilB (philb@esatclear.ie)
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> John Cunningham died today aged 84.
>
> RIP
>

My reply was as follows:

Please justify HOW you think this post was placed in the wrong forum and how you think that it is a non- aviation topic - or are you just ignorant of airliner history?

In case you are, John Cunningham was the Chief Test Pilot for de Havilland on the Comet series of AIRLINERS and later the TRIDENT.

His expertise and pioneering work with the Comet had a significant impact on both the development of jet AIRLINERS and AIRLINES.

Perhaps you should ask to be relieved of your position as a moderator until you have learnt some airline and AIRLINERS history,

Just a friendly suggestion,

PhilB
 
searpqx
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RE: Moderator's Lack Of Airliner Historical Knowledge.

Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:21 am

I just got done wading through the ridiculous exchange between you and leezyjet, and was thinking, ok, he may be a little AR, but I can see where he's coming from, so I'll give him (you) the benefit of the doubt. But now after reading this, my personal opinion is that you are patronizing, you are condescending and to top it all off, you're acting childish.

If you disagree with the moderators decision, have the discussion with him. I've been fascinated by airlines for most of my 38 years, worked in the industry for 20 (yes, I started before I was 18) and didn't have a clue who this guy is, so I think it could be called an honest mistake.

Perhaps you should ask to be relieved of your membership in Airliners.net until you have learnt some manners and people skills.

Just a friendly suggestion
"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
 
AirT85
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RE: Moderator's Lack Of Airliner Historical Knowledge.

Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:22 am

Good man PhilB, good man. hehe, i too would be upset if I were in your shoes, you met and complied with all of the rules they believed you hadnt...
tony
Why would God make us all so different, if He wanted us to be the same?
 
Squigee
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RE: Moderator's Lack Of Airliner Historical Knowledge.

Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:26 am

"ignorant of airliner history" and "relieved of your position" are pretty stong phrases. I'm sure more than one person does not know who Mr. Cunningham was. I myself didn't know until a few days ago. Luckily, someone politely informed me of who he was.

Take a chill pill man, email the Mod and ask to restart the thread. A big crying session in public won't solve anything.
Someday, we'll look back at this, laugh nervously, and then change the subject.
 
bobnwa
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RE: Moderator's Lack Of Airliner Historical Knowledge.

Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:27 am

What percentage of the members of this forum do you think recognized the name John Cunningham? I have been in Aviation for close to 40 years and I don't.
 
goingboeing
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RE: Moderator's Lack Of Airliner Historical Knowledge.

Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:31 am

What percentage of the members of this forum do you think recognized the name John Cunningham? I have been in Aviation for close to 40 years and I don't.

Which only goes to show that it's possible to LEARN something new every day.
 
AirT85
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RE: Moderator's Lack Of Airliner Historical Knowledge.

Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:32 am

I think that while the email was full of "emotion", it was his right to send it in the manner he did. if the moderator wants to move a thread they should be able to PROVE it needs to be moved, and their is no way this particular moderator can do so. Maybe the mods can do some research on subjects they are unsure of or refer posts to other moderators when they have questions instead of moving posts that deserve to stay where they are.
Why would God make us all so different, if He wanted us to be the same?
 
philb
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RE: Moderator's Lack Of Airliner Historical Knowledge.

Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:41 am

Thanks AirT85,

The reason most spotters and enthusiasts are regarded as nerds or anoraks by the majority of the population, airport police and the press is highlighted by most of the responses to this thread and a lot of the nonsense posted on this forum.

People seem happy with half truths, rumours and any old guess instead of using taking the opportunity to find out both up to date information and the history of a fascinating subject.

When the moderators can take arbitary decisions on a topic without knowledge, then they should admit a problem and do something about it, not tell someone who knows his topic that the topic is in the wrong forum.

Oh, by the way, for all those who don't know anything about John Cunningham, he was the RAF pilot who was known as "Cats Eyes" as a UK Govt bluff to hide the development of airborne radar during WW2.

Again, his contribution was invaluable to the development of radar for airliners in the post war period.
 
ben88
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RE: Moderator's Lack Of Airliner Historical Knowledge.

Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:55 am

Isn't it the moderators job to check whether or not something is aviation related before moving it to the non-aviation forum? Just because he didn't know this man doesn't mean he didn't exist or didn't have an impact on our hobby. Sounds like lazy moderating to me.
 
clipper471
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RE: Moderator's Lack Of Airliner Historical Knowledge.

Wed Jul 24, 2002 4:59 am

You should have IDENTIFIED who Cunningham was. "Cunningham, Comet Chief Test Pilot, dies" would have been better. You didn't identify anything about the fellow in your original post.

Further, airing your grievances WITHOUT first communicating with the moderator was in extremely poor taste.
 
VC-10
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RE: Moderator's Lack Of Airliner Historical Knowledge.

Wed Jul 24, 2002 5:01 am

The post has been relocated to this forum now.
 
Greg
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RE: Moderator's Lack Of Airliner Historical Knowledge.

Wed Jul 24, 2002 6:00 am

Clipper471 is right. Their relationship to aviation should be linked.
Otherwise it could have been anybody.
Anyway, sad to see the old guard passing. They were the true pioneers.
 
caravelle
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RE: Moderator's Lack Of Airliner Historical Knowledge.

Wed Jul 24, 2002 6:06 am

I love Comets, but I plain forgot that John Cunningham test-piloted one! Doesn't mean I'm not interested! Now, give the guy a break, PhilB!

- caravelle
Trains and boats and planes....
 
Guest

RE: Moderator's Lack Of Airliner Historical Knowledge.

Wed Jul 24, 2002 6:12 am

Maybe you should have included the detail that you sent to the moderator in your original post, then they would not have moved your post. Nobody expects the mods to know every single fact about aviation. When I saw the subject I presumed it was some sportsman or something that I had never heard of.
 
NBC News1
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RE: Moderator's Lack Of Airliner Historical Knowledge.

Wed Jul 24, 2002 6:20 am

I don't agree with those who say a public crying session is unecessary.

This kind of thing brings to light injustices and keeps people aware.

The moderator made a mistake and we, as forum members, have the right to know if those who are judging our posts really have any reason and credibility to be doing so.

I congratulate you PhilB.
 
VC-10
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RE: Moderator's Lack Of Airliner Historical Knowledge.

Wed Jul 24, 2002 6:31 am

I am archiving this thread. Any further comment should be posted on the Site Related Forum.

The moderator concerned has had the error pointed out, but on the other hand PhilB could have written a brief obituary so everybody was aware of John Cunningham's contribution to the world of aviation