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Privately Owned F4's

Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:15 pm

Have any of the F4 Phantoms fallen into civilian hands yet?


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cannibalz3
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RE: Privately Owned F4's

Sat Jul 27, 2002 5:36 am

Theres a guy in Orlando that owns an F-5, and someone was telling me about a private F-16. Don't know about F-4 though.
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RickB
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RE: Privately Owned F4's

Sat Jul 27, 2002 5:45 am

There is (or was - saw it on Discovery channel a couple of years ago) a guy in the UK who has an F4 Phantom obtained from the RAF (he used to fly them whilst he was in the RAF), it was flight ready but he wasn't allowed to fly it because the MOD still deemed it a serious weapon though.

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424_sq
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RE: Privately Owned F4's

Sat Jul 27, 2002 6:03 am

There is a F-4D on the airshow circuit owned by the Collings Foundation

http://collingsfoundation.org/tx_f-4dphantom.htm
 
zebfly2
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RE: Privately Owned F4's

Sat Jul 27, 2002 6:20 am

Are these ex-military planes capable of carrying weapons or were they modified and incapacitated (weapons systems) b4 being sold to private owners? One would think that during times like these, the military would not want to make it easier for someone to do something they(military) might regret. Just wondering?????
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tt737fo
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RE: Privately Owned F4's

Sat Jul 27, 2002 11:13 am

yes, the collings foundation is probably the only institution out there to own one. F4s are extremely (nay, beyond outrageous) expensive to operate. As a note, collings charges $500 to fly for 15 minutes on a B24 liberator. Yes, I was 'stupid' enough to pay that amount to tool around on a clear day in Monterey two years ago. It was rare to have clear weather there and rare to fly in such a bird--bottom line, the Collings foundation is not lacking for dough.

Back to the F-4. Expensive as all hell to operate.

And then there's flying them. Yes, people may own F5s out there, but the F5 is like a toy when compared to the Rhino.

I have the dubious honor of being one of the last aviators to go through the RAG and then have the bearaucracy decide that the F4s need to be replaced by the F18.

I was relieved but saddened that I never flew one in the fleet. Relieved that I never got to do a trap. The F18 was like moving into a Porsche 911 after stepping out of a monster truck.

Look at the thing. It's a huge-ass flying brick with little stubby delta wings.

It's fast as hell at altitude. mach 2.30, so they say. But when you go into a roll, the rhino will want to yaw as all get out. And if you don't stay "ahead" of it, you may go into a flat spin--which many will not get out of.

Between 150--300kts the aircraft is damn near unresponsive. Landing it is a challenge too as the sink rate is incredible. 182kts "clean" and the controls are mushy, mushy, mushy.

On a hot desert day (El Centro) plan on using up most of the runway on takeoff and climbing like a 152 until the airspeed builds up.

Point is, owning one would require a full-up ground crew. Hundreds of hours of training

Did I mention that it is the best thing I have ever experienced? I didn't even get the opportunity to "really' fly it, and I miss it.
 
zebfly2
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RE: Privately Owned F4's

Sat Jul 27, 2002 3:44 pm

As I asked b4, does anyone know if these a/c are still capable of carrying weapons?
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LY744
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RE: Privately Owned F4's

Sat Jul 27, 2002 8:23 pm

"does anyone know if these a/c are still capable of carrying weapons?"

What difference does it make? Does your local hardware store carry iron bombs by any chance?

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zebfly2
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RE: Privately Owned F4's

Sat Jul 27, 2002 9:32 pm

LY744- There is no need to be sarcastic, I was just asking out of curiosity. I always tell my students that there is no such thing as a stupid question, but in your case I'll make an exception and answer your STUPID question, no my local hardware store does not carry bombs!  Angry
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LY744
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RE: Privately Owned F4's

Sat Jul 27, 2002 9:59 pm

 Laugh out loud Sorry dude, all I'm saying is that IMHO, any physical changes made to a fighter jet to make it "non-lethal" are pretty pointless (although I'm sure most bureaucrats would disagree), since if one has the ability to obtain/produce the necessary weaponry, he would probably be able to reverse the changes as well.  Smile

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AA717driver
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RE: Privately Owned F4's

Sun Jul 28, 2002 12:19 am

My hardware store doesn't carry iron bombs but they have a catalogue that you can order them from. I prefer 'Snakeyes'--makes it easier to hit targets in a suburban setting... Big grin TC
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