deltadude8
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Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 7:37 am

I know that Delta was trying very hard to get a slot in London's Heathrow airport, but they were not given it because of some reasons.

Does anyone know what these reasons are? And I heard Continental got the slot but not sure, does anyone know?

Thanks,
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 7:40 am

Currently the only American airlines that can fly to LHR are UA and AA.Both have about 14 daily rotations.CO ,DL and the rest won't be allowed in to LHR until the US-UK bi-lateral agreement is changed.
 
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 7:57 am

DL cannot get into LHR, as stated above, under Bermuda 2, the bilateral air agreement between the US and the UK.....under this old agreement, only TWA and Pan Am could fly into LHR, the TWA rights are now with AA and the Pan Am rights are with UA. Those rights were purchased by UA and AA, respectively, under seperate deals back in the 1980s......Pan Am and TWA were desperate for cash at the time and sold the family jewels, so to speak, the authority to fly from key US cities to LHR.

All other US carriers are at LGW, and cities not covered under Bermuda 2, such as DFW, ATL, etc, do not have flights into LHR.....thus both DL and BA fly ATL-London into Gatwick.

The US and UK have been working on modifying, updating and replacing the Bermuda 2 agreement for years with a view to open skies between the 2 nations......so far, nothing can be worked out.

Thus, DL will be sitting in LGW for a few more years.
 
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:05 am

I know many DL employees and we were chatting about this the other day. Delta was on the way to getting a slot into LHR, but for I guess for the reason stated above that they couldn't. But, we all were told that CO got the slot. Delta is trying very hard to get the next one, and I have heard that they will do a lot for it. I am sure you are correct, but maybe the US and UK are closer to an agreement than we know or think.

I hope so. Because it would be nice to fly into LHR instead of LGW. A lot closer to the city.
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:16 am

If that is true that CO has got the slot, then lets hope BMi get a slot to fly to the US.

Could this be an indiaction that B2 is coming to an end ??

One reason why the B2 agreement is taking so long to sort out is the UK government want to open up LHR but will not agree to it unless the US give something back in return, like the rights for UK carriers to pick up pax and transport them between US destinations.

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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:18 am

DL will be starting 3x daily ATL-LHR flights from October 15. Also 1x CVG-LHR, 1x MCO-LHR and 1x FLL-LHR. All these flights will be operated by 777 except FLL which will be a 767-300ER.

CO already flies to LHR from EWR, IAH and CLE using a mixture of equipment. The new slot you are referring to will be used to commence service from GUM using a 767-400ER.

Dutchjet and donder10, I agree with Michael. How do you know if this agreement is true or not? Do you know as many Delta employees as he does? If no, then be quiet.
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:21 am

I better go out and become friendly with more people that work for DL, thanks for the advice B747-437B.
 
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:23 am

DL will be starting 3x daily ATL-LHR flights from October 15. Also 1x CVG-LHR, 1x MCO-LHR and 1x FLL-LHR. All these flights will be operated by 777 except FLL which will be a 767-300ER.


Where did u hear this, is this speculation or fact? cos i ain't heard of any developments.

CO already flies to LHR from EWR, IAH and CLE using a mixture of equipment

CO doesn't fly to LHR, only a codeshare with VS.

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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:26 am

if its true its bye bye gatwick from delta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:29 am

Both DL and CO desperately want to be able to get into LHR, but as stated above (and many, many times in other threads), they can't under the current agreement. B747-437B, I'm not sure where you got your info, but neither carrier does or can fly their own metal into LHR. And since so many people have a stake in the B2 agreement and/or its modification, I have a hard time believing a new agreement has been reached without anyone hearing about it.
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:33 am

Actually Sean the CVG flight will be an MD-11. They need that 777 for a new service Delta's going to start up. You can read about it here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum21/HTML/006703.html

Gatwickgunner, I heard Delta is trying to secure rights to fly JFK-LGW, so I'm sure Delta will remain committed to the Gatwick market.
 
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:41 am

Actually Sean the CVG flight will be an MD-11.

Not according to Deltamatic.

TUE 15OCT02 ATLANTA /LONDON AREA *DL
1 ATL LHR 1645#0625 DL 2 J7 D7 I7 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L7#777*C
2 ATL LHR 1745#0715 DL 4 J7 D7 I7 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L7#777*C
3 ATL LHR 2045#1005 DL 6 J7 D7 I7 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L7#777*C
4 ATL CVG 1545 1711 DL 282 F7 A7 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L7 U7#72S*C
5 LHR 1920#0810 DL 8 J7 D7 I7 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L7#777*C ]
AM*DL ; ]
NO MORE HA SVC THIS TIME PERIOD
DMATIC SINGLE CNTG PT-CVG OR PAR OR BRU OR ZRH OR BOS
DMATIC DOUBLE CNTG PT-NYCBRU
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:41 am

hey atleast thats a bit of good news,thanks n886da
 
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 9:00 am

"Those rights were purchased by UA and AA, respectively, under seperate deals back in the 1980s..."

Dutchjet
, to be exact, it was 1991.
 
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 9:19 am

Co flies into LHR with a codeshare with Virgin Atlantic, meaning it is a Virgin Atlantic airplane, and Co is just leasing seats on that flight


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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 9:29 am

Co flies into LHR with a codeshare with Virgin Atlantic, meaning it is a Virgin Atlantic airplane, and Co is just leasing seats on that flight

So will Virgin Atlantic put the new Airbus 346 on the GUM-LHR route for Continental?
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 9:44 am

Airbus aircraft are not allowed on Guam, there's lots of US military bases there and them foriegn aircraft might have cameras.

I know the A-330s have cameras Big grin
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 12:04 pm

-437B: Is the US Airways plan going according to schedule? I know that they were planning to start flights in Nov. from PHL, CLT, PIT, and DCA with the A330. Have any problems come up?

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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 12:20 pm

Username: Gatwickgunner
Posted 2002-07-30 01:26:00 and read 185 times.
if its true its bye bye gatwick from delta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This is not true. Delta no matter what will continue the service to Gatwick. They are not expected to drop that route in the near future. So HELLO-Gatwick. Not BYE BYE BYE. Sorry, Just thought I would make this clear.

Thanks for all the information, If I hear anything new I will make a new topic!
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:19 pm

Sean, is 7/30 an Indian equivalent of April's Fools Day, or our Innocents Day (12/28) ?????
 
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 11:34 pm

I was wondering when someone would figure it out... Big grin I do love Delta's plans for their new airline... a better use for a 777 I can't imagine. Will the new 777's have the TIMCO crew rest modules installed as well? Big grin Big grin Big grin
 
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 5:53 am

If Delta could get into LHR(with a decent sized operation) it would be bye-bye Gatwick very quickly.CO have mentioned flying 6 daily EWR-LHR flights although that may be a bit OTT
 
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 8:37 am

So donder, is the above poster correct in saying DL will start LHR-ATL flights and others? cos it cant be done without B2 being scrapped.
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 9:09 am

it cant be done without B2 being scrapped.

Sure it can. They are Delta. They'll find a way.
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Sat Aug 03, 2002 12:36 pm

Why hasnt Delta announced any of this yet?

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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Sat Aug 03, 2002 1:02 pm

And Deltadude8 still doesn't get it.............
 
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Sat Aug 03, 2002 3:13 pm

You guys are joking right? Nobody got the LHR slot, not even DL. And CO does not serve LHR from CLE, EWR, IAH. 747-437B, I thought you were some airline consultant or something, why would you think that? Some of you pointed out the VS codeshare, that is only good out of EWR since VS does not serve IAH or CLE.
 
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Sat Aug 03, 2002 3:56 pm

The only reason I ask again and I did start this topic REMEMBER "LOWFAREAIR"

Thinkin about stealing another topic from me!!! (I am talkin about the Vanguard thing)!!!

Back to the subject---The only reason I am now asking again is because my best friend totally flipped out when I told them this piece of info. They said that they haven't heard anything about such a thing. So I was just wondering where everyone is getting their information from. And the fact that someone said FLL-LHR-(what!?@) why would DL do this??? and MCO-LHR???

We both thought that they would do BOS, or JFK before MCO, or JFK.

So LOWFAREAIR, excuse me! I was just making sure I got the facts right.!


God Bless everyone and may god keep you safe on all of your travels,
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Sat Aug 03, 2002 9:46 pm

I'm not talking about taking the topic or anything like that. I'm saying that you don't get it. B747-437B firmly has his tongue-in-cheek. He was being 100% sarcastic. DL doesn't have any LHR rights, neither does CO. It was a joke, and if you noticed the part where he mentioned CO had LHR flights currently made his post a dead giveaway.
 
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RE: Does Anyone Know Who Got The LHR Slot?

Sun Aug 04, 2002 3:40 am

Whew...I am relieved to know you guys are being sarcastic. Seriously, some of us don't get jokes right away on electronic format....I thought some of you had lost your minds.  Smile

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