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Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 4:33 pm

Why are Delta 777 seats going from 2-5-2 to 3-3-3?

 
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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 4:37 pm

I would speculate, because nobody likes to sit in the center of the 5 seat middle section.
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Tue Jul 30, 2002 5:08 pm

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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 5:48 pm

In a 2-5-2 seatlayout only one passanger has two other pax untill the aisle but with 3-3-3 there are two pax! It doesn't make any sense IMO...
 
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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 6:57 pm

I actually remember thinking it would make no sense to have 3-3-3. But after flying, I prefer the 3-3-3 layout...don't know what it is, it just feels better.

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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 7:01 pm

Lionel:

I think that the point of the 3-3-3 layout is that no one is more than one seat from an aisle OR a window.

Hope that clears it up.

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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 7:51 pm

Cos sitting in the middle of the middle is awful. Having to clamber accross everyone to get out to the loo. I had to endure that on UA from LHR-SFO. A 3-3-3 also gives the feeling of more space per pax.
I would also suspect that a 3-3-3 config is also easier to clean on a turnround and also easier for the cabin crew to serve people, as they don't have to lean accross as far.

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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:39 pm

I would agree that the only reason is the "feeling" the passengers have on a 3-3-3 config. The 2-5-2 just seems cramped.
At any rate, what I really like is the 2-4-2 config on the A-340's. IMO this is the most fair configuration. Everybody is at most 1 seat away from aisles.
 
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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 10:35 pm

Why does nobody realise 2-4-3 is the best of both worlds?  Sad

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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 10:44 pm

Have to agree that 2-4-2 is the best. That is the layout on Air Canada's A330-300's and it is quite roomy for Y. Never been on a 777, but I assume they have similar cabin width?

 
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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 10:45 pm

Simple....2-5-2 stinks!!!!!!!

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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 10:58 pm

2-5-2 One pax are two seats away from the aisle, four pax one seat away.
3-3-3 Two pax are two seats away from the aisle, three pax are one seat away.

Take your pick I guess.

I would really like 2-4-3. Why can't any US airlines do that? It's a more sensible option IMO.

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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 11:04 pm

>>>Have to agree that 2-4-2 is the best. That is the layout on Air Canada's A330-300's and it is quite roomy for Y. Never been on a 777, but I assume they have similar cabin width?

Nope, the 777 is wider than an Airbus is wider than a 767. That´s why 777s come with 10 or 9 abreats, Airbusses with 9 or 8, and 767s with 8 or 7 - the lowernumber is of course the standard, while the higher number is used mainly by holiday airlines.


I hear there was an airline with 3-5-3 on the 747 - is this true? It would make sense, compared to the 777 which is less wide.

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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Tue Jul 30, 2002 11:13 pm

3-3-3...
The Russian introduced this configuration 25 years ago in the Il-86 and the Il-96:

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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 1:19 am

Agreed that 2-4-3 is a good way to go on a 777/MD-11. KLM thought so when they got their MD's, saying that it provides the most flexibility for groups of various sizes. It's hard to argue with that one, but I'm told the drawback is that the seating is not symmetrical with the cabin centreline, making it tricky to arrange them around lavs, etc.

From a cost standpoint I suppose 3-3-3 is good for the airlines since all they need to inventory are 'triple' units of seats.
 
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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 4:57 am

I agree with you CD-CPI! The aisles will not be inline. And also the aircraft will be "lopsided" because if you put lavatories on bothside os the cabin, it will look wierd. Although fits passengers needs, it may look a bit cramped!

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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 5:15 am

Passengers probably prefer the 3-3-3 over the 2-5-2. In the 3-3-3, you are never more than I seat from the aisle or window!
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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 5:29 am

CF-CPI, they have to use three different units because the side units have to have different legs (due to the rounded side walls of most aircraft) than the center units.

Still I prefer 3-3-3. Symetry rules, especially in airplanes!
 
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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 6:41 am

The 3-4-2 is definitely the best. All 747s until about the late 70s or early 80s were configured that way before the numbing 3-4-3 took over.
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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 6:53 am

The U.S. surgen general recently said that more than 60%
of American adults are overweight. (also 13% of children)
He said the trend it likely to continue and blah, blah, blah...
(myself included, at 12 lbs over the average BMI)

Anyway, the airlines apparently don't think so and they are
squeezing in more passengers... Oh well, look at the
bright side, at least the airlines don't think we're fat...

It seems like a lot of folks prefer the A330s/A340s over the
777s. At least you're never one seat away from the aisle.
2-4-3 in 777s is the best configuration.
 
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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 7:22 am

How about 2-2-2-2 with 3 aisles? That'll be pretty cool, uh huh?
 
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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 7:40 am

Bobcat.. if you are refering to the change Delta is doing.. then, actually.. the 777 will be seating LESS then it currently does in a 2x5x2 seating arangement.. It'll actually seat the same # or close to it, as the MD11 currently does. It will be 50 in BizElite and 218 in Y. A loss of 6 seats in the main cabin- most likely due to the crew rest area being installed when they reconfig the aircraft.
 
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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-

Wed Jul 31, 2002 10:25 am

would also suspect that a 3-3-3 config is also easier to clean on a turnround and also easier for the cabin crew to serve people, as they don't have to lean across as far.

Leezyjet, sorry mate but that makes no sense - in 2-5-2, the cabin crew have to pass meals through 2 people to get to the centre seat. In 3-3-3, they have to pass meals through 2 people to get to the window seats.

How about 2-2-2-2 with 3 aisles? That'll be pretty cool, uh huh?

Not really - first think of all the capacity you lose, second think of the evacuation issues of people getting lost in the middle aisle. I doubt it will happen, sorry. I believe you would actually need to get the aircraft recertified to have 3 aisles as opposed to 2.

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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 11:28 am

VirginFlyer, I guess the 2-2-2-2 thing was rather meant as a joke!
 
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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 12:45 pm

Ditto, Setjet; calm down VF!

Actually I'd love to have a three-aisle airplane. You could run all over the place. That'd be lots of fun on an overseas flight!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-

Wed Jul 31, 2002 1:06 pm

With 3-3-3 seating,its good for the FrequentFlyer on a 777 thats not full. When a FF identifies himself,the seating computer will try to leave a seat next to him open(CO and AA do a great job at this). So if you have a bunch Y fare FF(the guy who is subsidizing the $199 pax) in coach,they can be seated with the middle open ,and we FF love that. It doesn't matter if you are against the window or aisle having that middle seat open is great!
 
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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 1:19 pm

Why does nobody realise 2-4-3 is the best of both worlds?

I couldn't agree more! Having flown the dreaded 2-5-2 (albeit always in an aisle seat) and the utterly wonderful 2-4-3, I have come to the conclusion that this is the absolute best configuration for a nine abreast aircraft. Think about it, couples or those travelling alone can be seated in the group of 2, small groups and again those travelling alone can be seated in the group of 3, and finally, families can be seated in the group of 4. IMHO, this configuration also gives one the illusion that the aircraft is less cramped even though it has the exact same number of seats as an aircraft configured 2-5-2. Of course, if the 2-4-3 is not available, I still think that 3-3-3 is far better than 2-5-2.
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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 11:43 pm

Last night I was going through some of my old Airbus stuff. Of course, the A300 series has economy 8-across 2-4-2. Imagine my surprise to find a pic of an Airbus cabin mockup with 3-2-3. It would be interesting to sit in that middle set of 2, and looked, well, different, with an aisle on both sides.

It seems that Airbus was actively proposing this as the standard economy set-up. The triple seat units on the side had the fold-down cocktail table in the middle seat, so if it went unoccupied, the window and aisle pax could use it. This was a major trend in seating during the 70s, sadly not seen very often these days. Come to think of it, that would be a nice way to set up an 'economy plus' section in, for example, a 3-3-3 configured 777.
 
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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-

Thu Aug 01, 2002 12:33 am

Shawn Patrick - sorry I thought he was being serious (it isnt obvious from his wording). I was only trying to be helpful. If you would prefer, I can be unhelpful in the future  Acting devilish

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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Fri Aug 02, 2002 12:05 pm

Are they really making such an expensive change in the interest of passenger preference? That's a new one! If they were interested in what passengers want, why didn't they change their L-1011s and MD-11s to 3-3-3? I think there must be some other reason.

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RE: Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?

Fri Aug 02, 2002 7:48 pm

It all depends how many people u are travelling with!

I'm travelling with 1 friend from LHR-LAX, so we have chosen AA B777 because it is 2-5-2, we have booked our seats (2) near the window.

Next year we will be travelling from LHR-LAS and looks like we will be travelling VS premium economy because there are 6 of us and its one of the only direct flights!