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Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Fri Aug 02, 2002 12:05 pm

For me, the best part of flying is immediately after departure. You're up in the air, but not so high that you can still admire the scenery below. On the 340, it seems you get to experience this for a longer period of time. A much longer period of time.

I've seen the LH 340 depart PHX a couple of times during the past week. Man, that thing really claws at the air. It's got it's nose pointed up, but she ain't climbing. Has Airbus ever thought about JATO for this turkey?
 
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Fri Aug 02, 2002 12:19 pm

So I guess there are GOOD points to having an aircraft powered on 4 APU's?  Yeah sure(I'm going to get flamed for that one Smile) I'm just kidding with ya, I agree!

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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Fri Aug 02, 2002 12:31 pm

The A340-200/300, the only airliner that suffers bird strikes from the rear!

The aircraft that only climbs due to the earth's curvature etc etc etc
 
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Fri Aug 02, 2002 6:54 pm

Bells: Good jokes!

But aside from that, flying on the A340 is great, very smooth and comfortable. I flew on the A340 three times (ORD - VIE and IAD - VIE on OS, and ORD - FRA on LH), and I always loved it. I think its a great plane to fly on.

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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Fri Aug 02, 2002 10:12 pm

Before too many jokes are cracked about the climb performance lets remember that the new 500 and 600 models dont have that problem.
 
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Fri Aug 02, 2002 11:15 pm

The -600's have the mega RR trent 500's, no shortage of horsepower there!  Big grin
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Fri Aug 02, 2002 11:43 pm

TWAL1011, have you tried the Il-86?
You should.
 
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Fri Aug 02, 2002 11:48 pm

Climbs slow ..............

watch this: http://www.airbus-lebourget.com/media/video_21.asp
 
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Fri Aug 02, 2002 11:52 pm

Glad to see Airbus got their act together when they designed the A340-500/600 to put better high thrust engines like the RR Trent 500 instead of those small GE/SNECMA CFM56-5C hairdryers that are on the 200/300 models.
 
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sat Aug 03, 2002 12:08 am

Wasn't the A340 -200/300 wing designed with the failed IAE Superfan engine in mind? Not bad going for such a late, major design change.

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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sat Aug 03, 2002 12:49 am

I don't see any problems with the A340. Sure they climb and cruise a bit slower, but the airlines buy them because they are economical, not gas guzzlers like the B744, which means they save money in the long term.

I do notice when this comes up (every week) that it's mostly American's or Boeing lovers that knock the A340. Can't stand the competition boys ???  Big grin

By the way, the A346 looked great taking off last night from LHR on it's first revenue flight, didn't climb slowly at all.  Big thumbs up
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sat Aug 03, 2002 1:42 am

Can't stand the competition boys ???

Sure, if it's a climbing competition.  Big grin
 
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sat Aug 03, 2002 1:59 am

Whether you are Boeing or Airbus fan - comments made in jest are very welcome - love those jokes about the Airbus 340.

But does the extra wieght of the A340-600 offset the extra thrust advantage - also perhaps they delibrate de-rate the thrust to maximize fuel efficiency - these are not sporty cars but highly expensive to run machines!!
 
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RE: Hello, Tedski

Sat Aug 03, 2002 3:51 am

Glad to see Airbus got their act together when they designed the A340-500/600 to put better high thrust engines like the RR Trent 500 instead of those small GE/SNECMA CFM56-5C hairdryers that are on the 200/300 models.

Hey, TEDSKI -

I see. Still you had no time to sign up for the Airliner Economics 101 course.
Y'a know, it's never too late.

Take care,

your friend, George
 
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sat Aug 03, 2002 8:11 am

Hey, not all people like being on overpowered aircrafts... Not me, at least! There's nothing like the long roll during takeoff, and the elegance of crusing slowly up towards the clouds....

If you want the thrill of taking off fast, why don't you just take a roller coaster???????
 
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sat Aug 03, 2002 12:14 pm

I see that Jesseycy is a big fan of distinguishable scenery as well.

Still, I prefer the kick-in-the-pants performance of the 717 or 757 to low-level meandering.
 
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sat Aug 03, 2002 2:42 pm

679 views, 2 stars, 15 replies.

No one wants to defend the 340?
 
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sat Aug 03, 2002 4:19 pm


I cant defend a the 340 as my plans to travel will not allow me to go on
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sat Aug 03, 2002 4:37 pm

Climbs slow .............

Airbuspilot,

We're talking about the A342/3, not the A346, the A346 has way more powerful engines, therefore it doesn't climb nearly as slow as the A343.

I don't see any problems with the A340. Sure they climb and cruise a bit slower, but the airlines buy them because they are economical, not gas guzzlers like the B744, which means they save money in the long term.

The 744 is not a gas guzzler. I'm sick of people calling it that, when in fact, it's an extremely efficient aircraft, just like the A340. Also, slow climbers like the A340 are inefficient for awhile after takeoff, because they can't reach cruise altitude without a very slow climb or burning off gas at a lower altitude. The 777 and 747 do not have this problem, nor will the A346.

I do notice when this comes up (every week) that it's mostly American's or Boeing lovers that knock the A340. Can't stand the competition boys ???

Nobody's bashing the A340. It's a slow climber, that's a fact. Making a few jokes about that is not bashing the aircraft. You couldn't see the sarcasm in everybody's posts???

I don't know what's up your @$$ but please take it out....... Insane

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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sat Aug 03, 2002 5:02 pm

NWA742,

No I don't actually have anything up my A$$, of course I could see the sarcasm, hence my comment about the competition - seems like you can't stand it with your response  Crying

"The 744 is not a gas guzzler. I'm sick of people calling it that,"

We operate both the A340 and B744, and compared to the A340 the B744 does guzzle gas, alot more when operated on the same routes, which is what my point was about airlines buying them for economical reasons, as they are more interested in $$$'s than saving a few minutes in flight time.

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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sat Aug 03, 2002 5:13 pm

Why is climb performance so important?
I'd love to fly on the A340 and I'll take a A340 over a 777 ANYDAY!
BTW, I am a Boeing fan saying this. I like 4 engine jets better than twins.

The A340 looks like a nice smooth riding aircraft that one could site back, have a Martini and look at the scenery during takeoff and enjoy the flight.

I've flown on 777 and yes the climb perforamance was steep but I didn't see the big deal.
I've also flown on an IL-62 which is not a fast climber but was a very smooth and enjoyable flight.

Bring back the Concorde
 
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sat Aug 03, 2002 5:15 pm

The 744 does guzzle more gas than the A340, but it carries quite a bit more. You fail to bring in a lot more details of what efficiency and $$$ are all about, not just gas per mile. If you can provide me with factual data and figures saying that the 744 is an inefficient gas guzzler, then I'll believe you.

Also, why are you comparing the A340 with the 747? The A340 competes with the 777, not the 747. Comparing the A340 with the 777 is much more close than with the 747.

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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sat Aug 03, 2002 5:27 pm

In comfort (mostly flying Y) I will always prefer the A340 (1. flight) over B744 (6 flights). Never tried but I assume over B777 too.
 
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sun Aug 04, 2002 1:09 am

NWA742,

Was comparing B744 to A340 because they are the a/c types that the airline I work for operate, and also when A340 was first launced that was what it was competing against, as the 777 didn't exist at the time, and I never said it was an inefficient gas guzzler, just stating that it uses more fuel per pax than an A340 does, as isn't the A340 the most fuel efficient a/c per pax mile than any other ?.

Can't be bothered to get facts and figures, i'm sure you could find them on the net if you are that interested.

These discussions always end up slating (even in jest) the A340 'cos of the fact (that we all know), that the A340 climbs and cruises slower than a B744/777, and no-one ever seems to have anything positive to say about it.

Anyway, who really cares, all the a/c do what the designers intended, and if it get's me from A-B in 1 piece, then I couldn't care less what I fly on. I wouldn't take or not take a particular flight/airline just because of the a/c type they were using.

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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sun Aug 04, 2002 3:32 am

and I never said it was an inefficient gas guzzler

Actually you said it a few times.

just stating that it uses more fuel per pax than an A340 does

That's true, but you don't have a point. I can tell you that the Cessna 152 uses less fuel per passenger than a 737-200, but does that mean anything if I leave it at only that?

as isn't the A340 the most fuel efficient a/c per pax mile than any other

I believe it's the 777 in fact.



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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sun Aug 04, 2002 6:19 am

I smell A vs B. brewing, so keep it real and don't start.


Having said that, I've beena big Boeing fan for years but the A 330 and A 340 rock.


After having seen that video link sent in by Airbus Pilot, I think we can put the "CLIMB" issue to rest.

I swear, it's almost as if the A-bus developers saw THIS site and based their A346 Planning on our comments!

You should all have your fill now: A slow climber and a wicked fast one. Let's move on. It's a nice bird.
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sun Aug 04, 2002 8:02 pm

Takeoffs are GREAT on the A342 and A343!!!

I have flown many times on every commercial aircraft currently flying, so I say this with confidence. It is the smoothest climb of any plane, practically without any vibration; it feels as if you are gliding upwards. I have flown on them 4 times in different weather conditions, and had that same experience every time. As a passenger nothing is as relaxing as that sensation at the beginning of a 10 hour flight. No complaints here!

Plus, as you achieve lift, you can watch the wing bend upwards, which is also spectacular to watch.

So what if the engines look like hairdryers!
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sun Aug 04, 2002 9:00 pm

I said it was a gas guzzler, not an INEFFICIENT gas guzzler, there is a differance.
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Sun Aug 04, 2002 9:39 pm

It's great to fly the A340-313X because it's so silent, efficient, spacious, elegant, functional and even though it may "seem to climb slowly" it actually has high-potency in regards to thrust.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Mon Aug 05, 2002 12:19 am

Too bad when Airbus was designing the A340-200/300 models they did not make the wings strong enough to handle the PW2000 & RR RB211 series engines that are on the Boeing 757 with thrust over 40,000lbs.
 
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Mon Aug 05, 2002 1:00 am

Dooods! This sounds more like Road and Track or Motor Trend! These are passenger planes - a lot of people are riding in the back! You want rapid acceleration, hitch a ride on a Gulfstream!!
 
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Mon Aug 05, 2002 8:38 am

I've flown Air Portugal's A340-300. I didn't even notice we already took-off from Lisbon (I wasn't looking out the window at that point), I thaught we were still taxiing to the runway. The A340-300/-200 does have a low climb-rate. Other than that, the aircraft is perfect.

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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Mon Aug 05, 2002 11:47 am

Saw the LBG video...WOW! I'd like to see him do that with a full load of passengers. Please keep your hands in side the ride at all times! Do they charge a separate admission for a takeoff like that?  Smile
 
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Hello, Tedski (2)

Tue Aug 06, 2002 12:39 am

Too bad when Airbus was designing the A340-200/300 models they did not make the wings strong enough to handle the PW2000 & RR RB211 series engines that are on the Boeing 757 with thrust over 40,000lbs.


Hey, TEDSKI - You're repeating, so I'm repeating:

I see. Still you had no time to sign up for the Airliner Economics 101 course.
Y'a know, it's never too late.

Take care,

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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Tue Aug 06, 2002 5:37 am

Can someone give me a link or show where the A340 video is?

thanks
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Tue Aug 06, 2002 4:27 pm

I like the A340 a lot. I've flown on a TK A340 and I think it's perfectly fine.
 
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Tue Aug 06, 2002 5:37 pm

Why not take the shuttle? Now we´re talking climb Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Tue Aug 06, 2002 6:34 pm

TEDSKI, it's nothing to do with the strength of the A340-200/300 wing.

The A340 actually needs a less strong wing than the A330, because having four engines provides additional "bending relief" when the aircraft is in flight.

Therefore Airbus could have hung heavier engines on the A340 if it wanted to.
 
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Wed Aug 07, 2002 12:21 am

Quite correct, Bells!
The A340.200/300 is a very economical plane, and its climb performance is not all that bad, remember that airliners use derated thrust on T/O... and MCT during climb.
The main problem is that its Mcruise is normally M0.81 to M0.82, compared with the B747 series (M0.86) this is a tad slow (but quicker than the B767)

for the interested, how do you calculate mach speeds?

well, a very simple formula is used :Local speed of Sound= 39* square root of the Temp. in Kelvin. Mach number = True Airspeed/ Local Speed of sound
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RE: Why It Must Be Great To Fly On The A340

Wed Aug 07, 2002 1:07 am

As a passenger who cares about the climb rate of the A340?!
TWAL1011, you'r right, the A340 is definately a great experience as a passenger! Can't wait to have a ride in the new A345 and A346.
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